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  No more big District Conventions?

  by serenitynow! in

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  so i went to the hall today for a funeral and took a look at the bulletin board.

  i was surprised to see a letter stating the dc for michigan would be held at the local assembly hall instead of the big convention center in ohio where it had been held the past few years.

  have you all heard about this?.

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  I wasn't picking on either of you personally.

  Oh, well that's good. Surely you weren't picking on us! I figured you were jokin' around.

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  Under the New Light, Where is the Continuity?

  by Ding in

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  under the old light, from 33 ce onward, there was always an anointed remnant on earth, and these constituted the faithful and discreet slave class whom jesus had appointed over his domestics to give them spiritual meat in due season.. but the new light is that the "anointed" were not the faithful and discreet slave after all.. in fact, according to the new light, jesus did not appoint anyone as faithful and discreet slave over his domestics until 1919 (not even the apostles or russell).. so according to the new light, who or what was jehovah's visible organization from the death of the apostles until 1919?.

  who was authorized to provide spiritual food in due season?.

  where is the continuity?.

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  Who was authorized to provide spiritual food in due season?

  The Society's reasoning on this question is that the "due season" hadn't started until 1914, and that Jesus' words about the 'slave' are relevant only to the time after 1914. Therefore, there was no 'faithful slave', no channel for providing spiritual food after the death of the apostles. Basically, the slave didn't exist because the WT understanding of Matt. 24 is that the slave would not exist until after 1914.

  That said, the scattered anointed across nearly two millennia would only have discovered parts of JW truth, like some small group that disbelieved the Trinity or hellfire in the 1400s or what have you, but it's irrelevant because it would be difficult to track that from the year 100 to probably at least sometime beyond the Dark Ages. But in short, there were mostly 'weeds' for all that time, and the 'wheat' maybe discovered some bit of 'truth' but probably by and large in isolation.

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  It's Proof! Why We Can Trust the FDS (The OD Book Chap 3)

  by ezekiel3 in

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  from the new organized to do jehovah?s will (od) pages 18, 19. this is from a new chapter (3) in the book ?trusting the faithful and discreet slave?.

  why trust "the faithful and discreet slave".

  there are many reasons to have complete trust in the slave class.

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  First and foremost, Jesus has appointed them over all his precious "belongings." This is a clear indication that he has complete trust in them.

  
  ...But since this hasn't happened yet, this is a clear indication that Jesus does not have complete trust in them. And Jesus is a really, really nice guy, so if he doesn't completely trust them, why should we?

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  July 15th Study Edition Is Up..

  by confusedteenager in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but yeah.

  they just posted up the new watchtower...with the confusing new information.. time for me to go dive into this "new light" and try to see what sense it makes.

  of course cedars already nicely did a run down for us.. .

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  Aha, thanks sd-7, full control. That is what I've been thinking since last October. Rutherford had full control of what went in the publications. He had full control when in 1919 Jesus supposedly appointed the FDS.

  This is a particularly critical point to bear in mind. By saying the slave was appointed in 1919, they're very firmly saying that Rutherford was directly picked by Jesus Christ as his channel. That tells me an awful lot. An awful lot.

  I actually went back and read the Proclaimers book's recounting of these events, and it seems they actually explain it to that level of detail. It's just they present it in such a manner as to say that those board members who disagreed with Rutherford were by default "questioning the organization", which means quite clearly that Rutherford alone was the organization at that time, and that the 'slave' was not composite then, but rather, one individual.

  In fact, this is even supported by something the July 15th WT says. Let me see if I can find it...p. 22, par. 10: "In recent decades, that slave has been closely identified with the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses." Note that they said "recent decades". You wouldn't say something like that unless the decades were, you know, RECENT. So it's an admission that the President of the WTS had most of the power until....yeah, probably the '70s, as Ray Franz related in CoC. That same paragraph on p. 22 adds that the slave is "composite", that the decisions are made collectively. But clearly that was not always the case if the slave was only identified with a Governing Body "in recent decades".

  So that's actually a little extra gem they've thrown in. I mean, it's probably not news to people who have been around for awhile and can remember how much focus was given to the President of the Society in the past. But it's interesting to see it mentioned here.

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  IT IS NOT A CULT!!

  by Butterflyleia85 in

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  it is not a cult!!!

  if you weren't mesmerized by the internet since ya know it never lies!

  read the bible how do they go against it.

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  You're right. What was I thinking? Let me stop shunning all my friends at the KH from now on...he said sarcastically.

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  GB needs a new name

  by Roberta804 in

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  well since the gb has announced itself as the fds, we have got to come up with a new name for the gb because they are the fds and a bag of chips now.

  how about flower delivery service?

  freekin damn servent?

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  I think the brand name for Feminine Deodorant Spray (FDS) has already been taken, though ironically the front of it says "Feminine. Discreet. Sensual." So it has one thing in common with the 'slave' already, that being discreet.

  "The Slave" is a good enough mindfrak, since it's sort of the opposite of the reality. That seems appropriate to me.

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  Has The Governing Body Ever Explained Why They View The Faithful Slave Parable As A Prophecy? What Justification Do They Give?

  by frankiespeakin in

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  i don't know of any do you.

  i would think it a major leap in logic to not concider this first before expounding on it prophetically, why go thru the bother if we are missing this important link..

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  Actually, they just say that it's used in the context of Jesus' prophecy about the last days, and therefore, it's a prophecy even though it's also an illustration. Apparently this particular illustration is taken quite literally, while many of the others are not.

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  The July 15 Watchtower and all its new light is only...

  by sosoconfused in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  making people cling to the organization more.

  when i found out it was up i told so many people frantically that there is a new study article up and that it had so many changes.

  my mother started crying saying how happy she is to be a part of an organization that is truly directed by jehovah... only the true faithful and discreeet slave could have such insight.... another person began to say how great it is to see the celestial chariot on the move.. .

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  If the wheat "the anointed Christians" are being gathered since 1914/1919 to after Armageddon according to their graphic's time line, (which covers them as a GB for possibly hundreds of years) and the sheep and goats are NOT separated until the GT, then how do they explain an earthly class gathering,?

  Guess the 'great crowd' is only 50% Whole Wheat, then...

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  July 15th Study Edition Is Up..

  by confusedteenager in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but yeah.

  they just posted up the new watchtower...with the confusing new information.. time for me to go dive into this "new light" and try to see what sense it makes.

  of course cedars already nicely did a run down for us.. .

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  p. 17, par. 8: "With unwavering loyalty, they looked to the apostles to explain the words and deeds of Jesus and to shed fresh light on the meaning of the scriptures pertaining to him."

  There's that buzz word--loyalty. I feel once more like I'm being mentally set up for something. Fresh light, huh? Well, there you have it.

  p. 18, par. 11: "Notice that those congregations prospered as a result of their loyal cooperation with the governing body of Jerusalem. Is that not proof of Jehovah's blessing on the arrangement by means of which his Son fed the congregations?"

  Well, gee, here I thought it was because of that thing called "holy spirit" that the congregations prospered, not loyal cooperation with the governing body. We might add, of course, that if anything, a lot of those congregations were pretty disloyal, 'cause Paul had to keep reminding them about the circumcision issue years after the decision was already made. Proof of God's blessing in the first century is no doubt going to be equated, at least in a JW's mind whether they're aware of it or not, with proof of God's blessing today, you guessed it, because of loyal cooperation (obedience) to the Governing Body. Subtle.

  p. 18, par. 16: "The Bible Students' diligent study of the Scriptures yielded rich results. Those loyal men and women exposed false doctrines and spread spiritual truths, publishing and distributing Bible literature far and wide."

  There's that word again--loyal.

  Into the fourth article, it seems that everything hangs on Jesus becoming King in 1914. It's offered as if to be taken for granted as true. But then the audience will assume it's true, it's not like this is being directed at the public or something.

  p. 23, par. 13: "Early in the last days, the domestics were all anointed ones. Later, the domestics came to include the great crowd of other sheep."

  "Came to include"? They just became "domestics" like last year. I suppose that does qualify as "later", doesn't it? Much, much later. You could say that the domestics now include the great crowd, and therefore, the domestics always included the great crowd...

  Still in par. 13: "What about the Governing Body members who today make up the faithful and discreet slave? Those brothers also need to be fed spiritually. Hence, they humbly recognize that as individuals they are domestics just like all the rest of Jesus' genuine followers."

  You really think these guys actually study these articles with the same interest as the regular JWs? I mean, they presumably were the ones who wrote the articles in the first place. I think my efforts at writing The Beast-Tower demonstrate just how little spiritual feeding is required for the people who write the literature. But this line to me seems to suggest there may be a subtle jab being thrown at someone on the Governing Body who may think a little too highly of his own personal thoughts. I may be wrong.

  Box on p. 24: "In effect, Jesus was saying: 'If the faithful and discreet slave were ever to mistreat his fellow slaves in these ways, this is what the master will do when he arrives.'...However, the composite faithful and discreet slave has continued to keep on the watch and to provide nourishing spiritual food."

  What a relief! The 'faithful slave' has informed us that they have continued to keep on the watch and provide nourishing spiritual food. You know, when people are fed by someone, do we usually go on the opinion of the person who cooks the food or the opinion of the person who eats it? That can be subjective, of course. But imagine if you go to a restaurant, and you find the food unacceptable, so you send it back to the kitchen. Then, you find yourself surrounded by three men and escorted out of the restaurant! The reason you're given? Because you didn't like the food! This is the no-win situation a JW finds themselves in, a world with only one restaurant, run by the faithful slave. So if the slave says the food is good, you just have to pick the mold off and find the section that looks cooked enough and hope for the best.

  Ah. Well, that's it for my thoughts. I'm sure I'm covering stuff that's already been covered...now to read over what I wrote and fix it up a little before clicking 'Submit'...

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  July 15th Study Edition Is Up..

  by confusedteenager in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but yeah.

  they just posted up the new watchtower...with the confusing new information.. time for me to go dive into this "new light" and try to see what sense it makes.

  of course cedars already nicely did a run down for us.. .

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  p. 15, par. 3: "Then, rather than giving the food to the people directly, Jesus distributes it 'to the disciples, the disciples in turn to the crowds.'"

  Well, that's certainly not setting up anything! Subtle. It's also a little condescending--who are you to think Jesus would actually give you anything directly, after all? John 14:24: "If anyone loves me, he will observe my word, and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make our abode with him." What a distinctly different relationship Jesus seems to offer to the individual from what the Society is clearly implying. But I'm jumping ahead again...

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