Where's that 'Armageddon Hasn't Arrived' thread when we need it?
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51If ARMAGEDDON Came, Would YOU Repent?
by Cold Steel inthe day finally comes.
you get up one day with the nagging feeling that it's going to be different.
you get dressed, get in the car, then notice how dark the weather's getting.
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-23-2013 WT Study (MAKE SURE)
by blondie inorganization?.
organization!
organization.
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First, Jesus stated that this preaching
work would take his disciples “to
the most distant part of the earth.”
(Acts 1:8) Second, arrangements would
be needed to provide spiritual food and
to care for those engaged in this work.
(John 21:15-17) Third, provisions would
have to be made so that those preaching
the good news could gather together
to worship Jehovah and be taught how
to carry out the work. (Heb. 10:24, 25)
Accomplishing these goals could not be
done by accident. For Christ’s followers
to be successful, the work would need
to be well-organized.
1. Holy spirit took care of that back in the day, without an organization. But now God needs a little help?
2. Holy spirit taught people the truth. But now God needs to have a printing company, 'cause holy spirit is just a little low.
3. Was just listening to Acts last night, by coincidence. Know what I didn't hear? Territory cards being handed out, field service reports being taken, people practicing field service presentations, people being told what the 'offer of the month' is. So apparently, Christ's followers were NOT successful because the work was not organized as Jehovah's Witnesses are doing today. That's right--we're better than the apostles were on their best day! Mmm! Chest-bump!
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-23-2013 WT Study (MAKE SURE)
by blondie inorganization?.
organization!
organization.
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Jehovah
wanted Daniel to see that His organization
is in motion, accomplishing
His purpose. Daniel also saw “someone
like a son of man,” Jesus, being given
oversight of the earthly part of Jehovah’s
organization.
So now the author of this article apparently--somehow--knows exactly what it was Jehovah wanted Daniel to see. Here I thought nobody could know the mind of God...
And "Jesus, being given oversight of the earthly part of Jehovah's organization"????? There must be something wrong with my glasses, because there is NOTHING in these verses about an organization, much less Jesus being given oversight of an organization. Kingdom? Yeah. Rulership? I can go with that. But organization isn't there. How do they get away with this stuff? If I had just read all the quoted verses too I probably would've been out years ago. Oh, wait, I was out years ago...three or four, to be exact...
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-23-2013 WT Study (MAKE SURE)
by blondie inorganization?.
organization!
organization.
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How awe-inspiring
it must have been for Ezekiel
to see this vision! He saw Jehovah in full
control of his organization, directing its
movement through his holy spirit. What
an amazing representation of the heavenly
part of Jehovah’s organization on
the move!
So what reason is there to think that this has anything to do with an organization? It's an effin' CHARIOT! How does that become an organization? That's like saying a pizza is an organization, or a car, or a chicken. Anything can be an organization, apparently.
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-23-2013 WT Study (MAKE SURE)
by blondie inorganization?.
organization!
organization.
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Has the earthly part of Jehovah’s organization
remained focused on the more important
things? Indeed it has!
Can we pat ourselves on the back a bit more? Indeed we can! Though this is a meeting for worship, it's a good time to praise ourselves, the organization.
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Calgary flooding causes DC cancellation - Jehovah must have been having a poo
by HarryMac inif the shoe were on the other foot and it was a triumph over some adversity caused by the weather they'd be bragging until the cows come home.
but no, just silently admit defeat on this one.. poor flacid jehovah and his band of merry witnesses - and you know that none of them volunteered to help people with their suddenly newly acquired time off!.
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I just can't help laughing at the title of this thread. That is hilarious. Baal is all like, "Hey! That's my job! This privy is taken!"
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Apostates-slander and generalizations
by The Quiet One infrom a human apostate talk transcript.. "apostates profess to be followers of jesus..they lie to authorities...apostatesare not sincere in their expressions.
their aim is to manipulate your mind and undermine your faith... they are liars and deceivers" http://www.harvestmessenger.com/forum/index.php?topic=1023.0.
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So I mean, what are we, like, the team from 'Inception' or something? We sneak in, open your brain-safe, take out The Watchtower and put like, a computer with a 'Crisis of Conscience' PDF on it and Google open?
Or...are we actually your subconscious security team, letting you know there's trouble a-brewin'? I don't know. You tell me.
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Great blog!
I agree. That is a great blog! Wow, your story about the 'master' and the 'Your Youth' book sounds so familiar to me! I read the heck out of that chapter on my own. (Young People Ask had TWO chapters--I practically memorized 'em.) We studied it when I was all of 9 years old, and it still took me two more years to figure out what it was talking about. It was nothing but guilt and war with myself ever since then...you were insightful indeed to have figured out so much so young.
Classic!
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Okay, I couldn't resist watching the rest. Wow...it's such an emotional thing we've all had to go through. So many stories I've heard from so many people, and it reminds me that I was probably pretty fortunate in my own way.
So that I wouldn't struggle with the same emotions you expressed about your mom, I pretty much had to shut myself down emotionally and be as detached as possible. I have no real relationship with my mom, haven't heard from my brother in ages, haven't heard from or seen my aunt or my cousins in years. If I thought about that, really thought about it, I probably couldn't accept it. But I reached a point where I no longer cared. I felt like...if they're willing to shun me, then I have no room in my heart for them ever again. Emotional overload in the end just forced me to become a cold person and empty out as many of my emotional attachments as possible.
But you definitely made me smile when you spoke of living an authentic life. Ultimately that's what we win back when we start thinking for ourselves.
It's clear that JWs are not individually evil people, but there is evil in the ideas being promoted from the top down. I knew someone who became an 'apostate' years ago, and I figured that probably whoever convinced her--she was really smart--to leave the JWs must've been very smart indeed to do so. But I left it alone because I knew such thoughts weren't an option. But as I read more in the Watchtower about apostates--in fact I was even assigned to give a talk on that subject years ago--I realized that there really wasn't much of anything specific that they were doing wrong. It was almost entirely an attack on their personality traits. I especially noticed that there was this unhealthy fear of apostates that said to me, what are you so afraid of? What is it they know that's so dangerous?
So when I was emotioinally fed up, the light finally came on that something was wrong, and 4 years ago, I made the choice to open that door and find out what this was all about. It's been a bumpy ride, but worth the trouble, to be sure.
I hope you find comfort in your freedom. Thanks again.
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Apostate Chick--I, too, watched 6 minutes of said video, but having drank deeply of the dark side, I was content to be fascinated by your mind rather than merely your beauty (though, I just had this thought of Wonder Woman all of a sudden). I only stopped watching to conserve bandwidth, I shall have to catch the rest of it later.
Anyway, you nearly made me cry. What you said really is at the heart of why we're so concerned about these kinds of talks being given at convention programs.
This brings to mind an unpleasant discussion I recall having with my JW wife (you can read my story, it's all over this site on my threads, just click on my username and 'Topics Started' (the judicial committee threads called 'Borg Court' [on page 5 or 6 of my Topics Started] were particularly action-packed)) about this sort of thing. She couldn't understand why I was having trouble separating her from her beliefs. And it's because of this--she is literally being trained to view me, her husband that she has vowed to love and cherish, as Satan's MasterChef, to put it simply, and somehow I should be completely unaffected by it? I should sit there at programs with our children and subject my very nature to absolute character assassination with slurs, innuendos, name-calling and straw men offered up as proof?
See, she doesn't have the right to disagree with that assessment; no matter what kindnesses I perform as a husband and a father, she must view me as this monster because that's what came down from the platform and blared out of the speakers to 6,000 people. That's what's in the literature (a lot of that talk was cut-and-pasted, word for word, from last year's Watchtower article and the Reasoning book). Whereas I have the option to view her differently based on how she treats me and the way she cares for our kids and our home. It's hard, but I have that option. That's where we differ.
It's hard to respect beliefs that require intolerance and this sort of vitriol towards people. And honestly, it's hard to respect people who cling to this sort of reasoning and fail to see the emotional impact of it on the objects of such vitriol. It's worse still to know that they actually view such hateful speech as "a form of discipline" that will hopefully "bring us to our senses". So it's not just tacit approval by one's family--it's participation in it on their part.
But I'm glad this video is out there. Just hearing part of the talk gave me the phobias all over again, like I was sitting there in the midst of it. I can usually stomach reading the literature but not so much the talks.
Anyway, glad you're fighting the good fight. Thank you!
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