But no, while it bothers me, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. It's not like he went all Michael Bay on us and cast like, Kate Upton as Lois Lane. So...I'll forgive him eventually.
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if the title of the thread wasn't enough, spoiler alert.. spoiler alert.. .
okay...so...that said, i haven't seen the movie, which would be a paradox except that i read the novelization.
so...how'd you feel about the way it ended?
But no, while it bothers me, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. It's not like he went all Michael Bay on us and cast like, Kate Upton as Lois Lane. So...I'll forgive him eventually.
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if the title of the thread wasn't enough, spoiler alert.. spoiler alert.. .
okay...so...that said, i haven't seen the movie, which would be a paradox except that i read the novelization.
so...how'd you feel about the way it ended?
I was just thinking of this again, because I read an article that said Christopher Nolan was against the ending, but David S. Goyer and Zack Snyder wanted it. Snyder explained it by saying that basically, since this is an origin story, Superman doesn't have a code about killing, and how could he get that idea unless he faced a situation where he had to kill someone? Something like that. I kind of see what he's saying.
But it's still questionable reasoning because they could easily have written that into one of the scenes with Jonathan Kent telling him to be careful how he uses his strength because he could kill someone without even trying hard. (Like the scene with the bullies trying to get him to fight, for instance.)
Despite that, I do think if that's how Snyder views it, it is something that he did at least think about seriously and talk about with the rest of the team beforehand. I think, while I still hate him for it, I do expect to see this become an issue worth mentioning in the next film. If it's not mentioned, he's an even bigger idiot than I thought. Thank you for effing up Superman. Go make 'Sucker Punch 2'. No, really, I want to see it.
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anyone see that quote in the latest magazine?.
in full it says:.
"since the things are happening today that jesus told us about, we know that we are right at the very doorstep of the new world, the world to come.
The 100-Year Doorstep, the 100-Year Battle of Armageddon, the Last 35,520 Days...I mean, this could make a great, long-running TV show.
100 years ago was no time to be spiritually drowsy. The end was at hand!
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when i first was appointed as an elder, i could not wait to be on a judicial committee.
it semed like most hearings invovled middle age men and women cheating on their mates because either they had married early or felt that were being neglected by their mate.
most times i felt i need to take a long hot shower after a hearing.. the toughest part was seeing these sweet young children grow up in "the truth", and now you are about to judge their future based on their repentance.
To this day, it's still very hard, as someone who has never been an elder, to fully grasp elders' perspective. Even folks on here who were once elders--I'm still having difficulty being able to forgive even the ones who have awakened. Maybe it's wrong to feel that way and it's nothing personal against any of you. I think it's just...I can remember trying my best to pour my heart out to them in the distant past and feeling like they were utterly useless. Their responses were either devoid of compassion and even basic Christian decency or something I could have read in the Watchtower myself.
I only ever saw them as policemen, or prison guards. They always seemed aloof, different, in a way that...well, seemed devoid of what I imagined exemplary Christians would look like. They were always hustling here and there, or meeting together like Knights of the Round Table, and they'd greet you and you wondered if they were mind-readers or had X-ray vision so you said little and stayed out of trouble. I did get to deal with the congregation accounts for awhile so it gave me a chance to work a little closer with them. (The accounts were always a mess, needlessly hard to reconcile, and frankly it was either that WT's accounting instructions made no sense or we just weren't following them, or maybe both. And I say that as an accountant myself [not that I care much for accounting, but that's another story].)
But they generally seemed joyless. Looking at their lives (not so much their flaws, though they had plenty, but the quality of their lives in terms of 'do they look happy?'), I realized I did not want to be an elder. What person of conscience could sit in judgment of his fellowman and not second-guess himself, wonder if he really made the right choice? And you have to choose to cut this person off from their whole world. I couldn't sleep at night knowing I'd done that.
I figured that people who could had to have something wrong inside, something missing. Something that should be there the most for men entrusted with judging.
It wasn't until my own judicial committee that I finally saw the true face of the organization, and of what elders can be. They don't and can't hear what you are saying. They don't know who you are and can't know who you are. Their job is just that, a job. Hired men looking after the sheep. Maybe even hired wolves looking after the sheep. There aren't even bones left when they're done. There seems to be no consciousness of what they are doing to people. PEOPLE.
Maybe I'm just too sensitive a person, but...how could you do it? Does it bother you now?
I feel that elders were among the most active participants in the spiritual and emotional abuse of millions of people. We all had our part, all of our hands are dirty. I don't think I'll ever feel clean again.
I guess it's something I have to figure out how to deal with. I'm proud of the ex-elders (or even current elders) who have awakened and have done their best to show conscience and compassion. Maybe it's really that I'm ashamed I was part of this, too, though not as an elder. I don't know.
Sorry, I got carried away. Sounds like some pretty crazy stories you guys had to deal with. It never ceases to amaze me.
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LOL @ wasblind!
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from a human apostate talk transcript.. "apostates profess to be followers of jesus..they lie to authorities...apostatesare not sincere in their expressions.
their aim is to manipulate your mind and undermine your faith... they are liars and deceivers" http://www.harvestmessenger.com/forum/index.php?topic=1023.0.
jgnat--that photo is why I sleep in the other room, ha ha ha!
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Hey, nice! My 4th is coming up at the end of next month. Congrats, bro!
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the day finally comes.
you get up one day with the nagging feeling that it's going to be different.
you get dressed, get in the car, then notice how dark the weather's getting.
Where's that 'Armageddon Hasn't Arrived' thread when we need it?
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organization?.
organization!
organization.
First, Jesus stated that this preaching
work would take his disciples “to
the most distant part of the earth.”
(Acts 1:8) Second, arrangements would
be needed to provide spiritual food and
to care for those engaged in this work.
(John 21:15-17) Third, provisions would
have to be made so that those preaching
the good news could gather together
to worship Jehovah and be taught how
to carry out the work. (Heb. 10:24, 25)
Accomplishing these goals could not be
done by accident. For Christ’s followers
to be successful, the work would need
to be well-organized.
1. Holy spirit took care of that back in the day, without an organization. But now God needs a little help?
2. Holy spirit taught people the truth. But now God needs to have a printing company, 'cause holy spirit is just a little low.
3. Was just listening to Acts last night, by coincidence. Know what I didn't hear? Territory cards being handed out, field service reports being taken, people practicing field service presentations, people being told what the 'offer of the month' is. So apparently, Christ's followers were NOT successful because the work was not organized as Jehovah's Witnesses are doing today. That's right--we're better than the apostles were on their best day! Mmm! Chest-bump!
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organization?.
organization!
organization.
Jehovah
wanted Daniel to see that His organization
is in motion, accomplishing
His purpose. Daniel also saw “someone
like a son of man,” Jesus, being given
oversight of the earthly part of Jehovah’s
organization.
So now the author of this article apparently--somehow--knows exactly what it was Jehovah wanted Daniel to see. Here I thought nobody could know the mind of God...
And "Jesus, being given oversight of the earthly part of Jehovah's organization"????? There must be something wrong with my glasses, because there is NOTHING in these verses about an organization, much less Jesus being given oversight of an organization. Kingdom? Yeah. Rulership? I can go with that. But organization isn't there. How do they get away with this stuff? If I had just read all the quoted verses too I probably would've been out years ago. Oh, wait, I was out years ago...three or four, to be exact...
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