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  That talk at the assembly where...

  by ?evrything in

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  ...someone who was disfellowshipped ended up goin to a bar getting into a fight/getting preggo or somethin of the nature and then realized how pitiful their life had become.

  they then 'prayed' to jah and wala the light clicked and they came back and feel better then ever!!.

  sigh.

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  I remember hearing those stories in talks--and there were innumerable iterations of them--and I'm not sure when it was that I started to question it, but it was certainly long before I started doubting things as a whole. One of the big things that educated me on the outside world was, ironically, the recruitment work. I'd go out and see the ordinary people going about their lives. I'd think, none of them look particularly unhappy. If anything, the people inside the KH look stressed and distraught. They look like the ones who are 'sighing and groaning', and not because of the outside world, either.

  I used to think, well, maybe this person shouldn't have gone to that bar, you know? Maybe that wasn't the best environment for someone who knows next to nothing about the outside world. Maybe it's possible to have a gradual, peaceful transition to not being a JW. If only you just play your cards right, do it carefully.

  Well, I didn't really get to see the best of what the outside world has to offer, myself. But I've made the best of the life I've ended up with. I'm still living with no more or less good or bad than would have happened anyway. If a person decides to get really drunk around total strangers or use drugs or engage in other risky behaviors, he or she assumes the risks associated and will likely find themselves in a bad situation. That is entirely unrelated to leaving a religion. That is related to making decisions that are in that person's best self-interest, or failing to do so.

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  musings from a sound booth - good and bad experiences in one morning of ministry

  by Captain Blithering in

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  howdy all , relieving the boredom at the meeting again.

  yesterday on the ministry i was offering halloween mags (i know,i just dont even try anymore!

  ) - the lovely missus said "you cant place those" so i said half sarcastically "the truth never goes out of date or changes" .

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  the lovely missus said "you cant place those" so i said half sarcastically "the truth never goes out of date or changes" . A long moment passed then she turned to me and said "yes it does!"

  Classic! Those are the moments I'll always miss because I couldn't be a good double agent. Ah, well, it's more fun out here anyway.

  Doing the sound booth was pretty much as much fun as you could possibly have during a meeting, if you ask me. So how do you manage to not get caught by the bros carrying mikes? You mean they never look at you while they're standing there? Or are you like totally enclosed?

  Anyway, I think the reason I can't do it is because I can't take it seriously anymore. I mean, how do you say all that stuff with a straight face now? I know I can do the satire, but...being around folks who would actually read and believe said satire as essentially the word from above, wow...ha ha ha...oh, man.

  Hey, that reminds me. I think the two-day assembly is coming up for the Mrs. Hmm. Well, at least she hasn't tried to invite me or ask me to come with her.

  It's got to be awful, I do remember how it was. Hang in there.

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  if we don't all unite, we may win a few battles but Watchtower will win the WAR.

  by excaliber in

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  to thank you for taking the time to read this, because i feel that it is extremely important.

  over the years we have been waring against the watchtower, and our battle field has been the internet.and we have been very successful in establishing discussion forums and online resorces exposing false teachings and we have used youtube to further shed light on the watchtower, we have even written books to this end.. .

  yes we have attacked watchtower at its weakest point, the internet and we have been able to do this as small groups and even individualy.

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  I do think you have a point there, though, ekruks. Certainly the good, verifiable, true information posted on a forum like this needs a wider audience. Especially now, with the JWs having their big displays out in public advertising their website and so on. I see those displays twice a day now, every morning. So clearly, there is a need for a more public response to the JWs. Not by way of attacking them so much as by way of informing the public of how cults work so that they can avoid being victimized by them.

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  if we don't all unite, we may win a few battles but Watchtower will win the WAR.

  by excaliber in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  to thank you for taking the time to read this, because i feel that it is extremely important.

  over the years we have been waring against the watchtower, and our battle field has been the internet.and we have been very successful in establishing discussion forums and online resorces exposing false teachings and we have used youtube to further shed light on the watchtower, we have even written books to this end.. .

  yes we have attacked watchtower at its weakest point, the internet and we have been able to do this as small groups and even individualy.

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  Watchtower is but a drop in the ocean of problems. Defeat them entirely, and three more cults will rise to take their place. Or thirty-three. Because they are but a symptom of a larger problem--the unwillingness of the ordinary person to think, question, and reject the irrational. This is how any widespread deception is possible.

  Either way, the day Watchtower is able to successfully train its members to counter things like facts, history, logic, and science, well, I know I'll impressed. There is no amount of training WT can provide that would matter, so long as they doggedly stick to their belief system.

  War with a billion-dollar corporation with 7,000,000+ members is pointless. It will be in the small, quiet moments that their foundation will be whittled away, not in a large-scale battle fought by a united 'army' of sorts. For it is those small moments--the despair of an abused spouse, the frustration of a young adult trying to find his or her way, the despair of an older one who has spent decades serving and is cast aside for some arbitrary reason--those are the moments that are defeating the Watchtower. Because those moments are the ones that give people the sense that 'something is wrong' more than any amount of facts that they may encounter sooner or later.

  Our strength lies in our individuality, in our strengths as individuals. It's our different approaches and worldviews and minds that make us so much stronger. I trust in that and value that the most. It's what we earned. The reality is that many of us will only be able to save ourselves. And we were lucky to do that. Only thing we can do is spread what knowledge we have as much as we can, inform people about the dangers of cults and destructive influence. To the extent that we do that, we will be doing what we can.

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  KateWild's Face. Hello guys this is me, What do you look like?

  by KateWild in

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  ...And there's sd-7, holding a Darth Vader lightsaber. Two brutal years have no doubt aged me more than this photo implies. I'm no giant dinosaur or helmeted menace, but I guess this'll have to do.

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  They are Definitely Attacking "Higher Education"

  by XBEHERE in

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  a friend of mine recently had his co visit and in the elders meeting the co out-right asked the question: how are the friends doing in your cong.

  as regards pursuing higher education?

  the co continued...you know in view of all the counsel from the slave regarding the dangers.

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  Well, they did say in this year's convention that the notions that (1) higher education will make you successful and (2) saving a lot of money for the future are both to be considered "demon-inspired propaganda". You can't get any more direct than that about the issue. Anyone who says they aren't against higher education is flat-out lying based on the DC talk I heard this year.

  Of course, the key was not to directly tell people 'do not pursue higher education' by way of a command, but rather, to simply poison the well. That way, they can say, "What? We don't tell anyone not to drink the water. You're crazy," while shouting publicly, "The well is poisoned by the Devil!"

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  BOE letter: New lights new changes

  by pixel in

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  re: adjustments to draw close to jehovah.

  dear brothers:.

  some changes involving our understanding of the meaning of gods name and what it re p- resents have been made to the first chapter of draw close to jehovah.

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  You could go on line and find that every thing you thought you knew is now different. It’s like trying to walk on rapidly melting ice over deep, dark cold water.

  

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  Is my mind still controlled???.....Is yours????

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  we are all set for a lovely xmas week and nice holiday, but this image is indellably printed in my brain and i cannot erase it.. .

  it's from the bible teach book, chapter 16 para 11. i did that many bible studies and trained them how we need to make a stand for true worship and not ever return to pagan practices.. so now over this season of good will, and fun i have a literal bitter taste.. are you having flash backs?

  how can we remove these images from our brain?

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  Well, the thing with Xmas is it's still just a human tradition like any other. One can choose to participate or not, regardless of what JWs teach about it. I personally, since I've very few memories of it in my life, choose not to participate, for the most part. I've gone to an office gift exchange once, but that's about it. It holds no meaning for me, right or wrong. Like with all the other holidays, it is essentially an alien culture to me.

  Maybe that's the impact of mind control on me. The phobias are almost certainly still there. I don't involve myself in holidays or watch horror movies or use foul language (at least not anywhere but inside my head, except the PG mild language found in the original Star Wars) because of JW indoctrination. That's probably not even the half of it. There may be stuff I'm not even conscious of that can be attributed to that. Certainly fear/guilt associated with divorce was/is probably one of those things. Phobias about sex, parties, non-JWs, maybe even ex-JWs, too--all of that is probably there.

  I just figure, I trimmed off as many irrational beliefs as I could and kept the ones I thought might protect me from self-destructing too much once I left the cult. Still didn't turn out well, but here we are.

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  BOE letter: New lights new changes

  by pixel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  re: adjustments to draw close to jehovah.

  dear brothers:.

  some changes involving our understanding of the meaning of gods name and what it re p- resents have been made to the first chapter of draw close to jehovah.

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  Which "scholars" are informing their dogmatic certainty of other doctrines/teachings?

  Even if scholars were dogmatic about something, if WT wanted to teach it, they would teach it and build as many arguments in support of it as they saw fit. They pick and choose when they decide to care about what scholars' views are.

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  2014 YB Should Be Out Anytime....Partaker Number Predictions?

  by LostGeneration in

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  i think this is the year they finally take that dog out back and shoot it - no partaker number.

  but i've thought that for the last three years.

  lol.

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  14,176. I'd like for someone to actually guess the correct number.

  

  --sd-7