Posts by sd-7

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WT to Brethren: "Are you still spreading our recently exposed lies that we were forced to change to save ourselves from utter embarassment? (Watchtower -April 15, 2013 page 9)

by Calebs Airplane in

of course, that question was softened up and changed to:.

"is your teaching up-to-date?

" (see illustration on page 9).

sd-7

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--sd-7

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"Strong hope enables us to resist apostates and their gangrenous 'empty speeches.'"

by cedars in

those obviously aren't my words, they are from the latest study edition of the watchtower (april 15th, 2013) page 11.. .

it's nice to know that, not only are we "mentally diseased" - we are also now "gangrenous.

" since the society seems to enjoy using medical terms to insult us, are there any bets what the next published insult will be?

The context of Paul's use of the term 'gangrene' was that he was talking about people who were claiming the resurrection had already happened. Doesn't the Society teach that the resurrection has already begun? Their helmet of salvation is broken from the start if they are essentially teaching the same gangrenous things that Paul was actually speaking against in that scripture.

--sd-7

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April 15, 2013 Watchtower - p. 22-26: Organization-Obsessed Much???

by sd-7 in

there's a study article "make sure of the more important things", and in no uncertain terms the article makes clear that "jehovah's organization" is the most important thing.

the term "organization" or "jehovah's organization" is used a whopping 24 times in the article, including a subheading titled: "follow the example of jehovah's organization".

i thought organizations were entities, but that sort of subheading makes it seem like the organization is one giant person whose example we can follow.

sd-7

So is the great crowd trying to sneak into the kingdom now? Being "let" in by the annointed? Begging to be let in?

Yeah. Guess the anointed are sort of like Theocratic Bouncers for Club Paradise Earth...better be on the list...

--sd-7

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Quentin (from JW-net) is dying

by Terry in

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quentin robburts has been on jw-net off and on for over 6 years and he is one of my oldest and most loyal friends.. his wife called me awhile ago and gave me the news.. quentin was rushed to the hospital's emergency room with acute renal failure and congestive heart failure.. .

this does not surprise me for the following reason.

his pain doctor put him on oxycontin last thursday.

sd-7

Sorry to hear that, Terry. I guess I have to get used to getting older and realizing that death is...inevitable. Valar morghulis. "All men must die." Sounds like he was lucky to at least get out before '75. I do hope he has had a rich life, though.

--sd-7

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April 15, 2013 Watchtower - p. 22-26: Organization-Obsessed Much???

by sd-7 in

there's a study article "make sure of the more important things", and in no uncertain terms the article makes clear that "jehovah's organization" is the most important thing.

the term "organization" or "jehovah's organization" is used a whopping 24 times in the article, including a subheading titled: "follow the example of jehovah's organization".

i thought organizations were entities, but that sort of subheading makes it seem like the organization is one giant person whose example we can follow.

sd-7

p. 27: "The visions recorded in Ezekiel chapter 1 and Daniel chapter 7 vividly portray Jehovah maneuvering matters to a grand climax."

Now maybe I just have a dirty mind, one which I've thankfully already confessed to the elders (see p. 31, par. 17, Anne, the once and future pioneer who lived a double life--perhaps a fling with Andre after a long, sweaty day of return visits??), but that sounds a lot like spiritual masturbation to me. A vivid portrayal of Jehovah maneuvering matters to a grand climax? Talk about spiritual pornography! Divine judgment explodes all over mankind's face!

--sd-7

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April 15, 2013 Watchtower - p. 22-26: Organization-Obsessed Much???

by sd-7 in

there's a study article "make sure of the more important things", and in no uncertain terms the article makes clear that "jehovah's organization" is the most important thing.

the term "organization" or "jehovah's organization" is used a whopping 24 times in the article, including a subheading titled: "follow the example of jehovah's organization".

i thought organizations were entities, but that sort of subheading makes it seem like the organization is one giant person whose example we can follow.

sd-7

p. 27: "Are we personally in step with this wonderful organization?"

p. 31: "What a privilege it is to live in these last days and to be part of Jehovah's incredible organization!"

So now the organization has been praised as "wonderful" and "incredible". I mean, even Jesus doesn't get this kind of praise in a Watchtower article. Wonderful???? Incredible??? It's an organization! I bet you'd probably raise eyebrows if you called Jesus 'wonderful' and 'incredible' in a talk.

Wow. Second article mentions "organization" 15 times. Governing Body gets two mentions (nods to the Writing and Teaching Committees there), plus a mention of 'anointed who are taking the lead in the organization' and anointed already in heaven who will help Jesus conquer those rebelling against Jehovah. Jesus gets mentioned 6-7 times.

Well...I'm officially creeped out...again.

--sd-7

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April 15, 2013 Watchtower - p. 22-26: Organization-Obsessed Much???

by sd-7 in

there's a study article "make sure of the more important things", and in no uncertain terms the article makes clear that "jehovah's organization" is the most important thing.

the term "organization" or "jehovah's organization" is used a whopping 24 times in the article, including a subheading titled: "follow the example of jehovah's organization".

i thought organizations were entities, but that sort of subheading makes it seem like the organization is one giant person whose example we can follow.

sd-7

Back to the top, like citizens of Gotham scrambling to stay in the sun...

--sd-7

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Bethel has Witness Psychiatrists on staff for Depression/suicide

by BlindersOff1 in

as told by former bethelite at xjw gathering june 2012 .

her experience with a governing body member .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pit30xbjybu&list=uuefch9mapvfjihotacywxfa&index=9.

sd-7

Well, I definitely realized that if I was going to get any kind of counseling/therapy, I knew I needed to talk to a neutral party, someone who was neither a JW nor had any connections to the JWs. I'd tried talking to the elders sometimes, but it became clear that their responses were predictable and stuff I'd already read. I also knew that I needed to be free to speak against them. It never occurred to me that I'd actually leave the religion, at the time. But then I had no reason to, at least none I could convince myself of at the time. That was more than 6 years ago.

I think it was a relief to be able to talk about the things I read in the literature or that were said to me by elders in an open, honest way. A way that before I'd only been able to share with myself, really.

But Bethel having such people on hand? Interesting.

--sd-7

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Wow, I seem to have made it out alright..

by GoodGuyGreg in

hi, new member here, but i've lurked for a while.. for obvious reasons, i won't give too many details about myself, but i thought i'd share my story of what might in the end have been the easiest fade in recorded history.

it's going to be a wall of text, and i'm writing it mostly for myself to get it out of my system, but it is, of course, a pretty open forum, so any comments and most questions are welcome.. here goes:.

what made me realize ttatt was legalism.

sd-7

Fantastic. Well, sounds like you fared pretty well. Beards are great, aren't they? I've been experimenting with beards, goatees, and the like for awhile now. I would do mutton chops but the Mrs. doesn't like the idea. I just think it would be fun to try just because I can now. Glad to hear of your successful overthrow of the big bad Watchtower.

--sd-7

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April 15, 2013 Watchtower - p. 22-26: Organization-Obsessed Much???

by sd-7 in

there's a study article "make sure of the more important things", and in no uncertain terms the article makes clear that "jehovah's organization" is the most important thing.

the term "organization" or "jehovah's organization" is used a whopping 24 times in the article, including a subheading titled: "follow the example of jehovah's organization".

i thought organizations were entities, but that sort of subheading makes it seem like the organization is one giant person whose example we can follow.

sd-7

There's a study article "Make Sure of the More Important Things", and in no uncertain terms the article makes clear that "Jehovah's organization" is the most important thing.

The term "organization" or "Jehovah's organization" is used a whopping 24 times in the article, including a subheading titled: "FOLLOW THE EXAMPLE OF JEHOVAH'S ORGANIZATION". I thought organizations were entities, but that sort of subheading makes it seem like the organization is one giant person whose example we can follow. I mean, I know that's probably not what they meant, but it's...unsettling to hear a phrase like that. When an organization is held up as an example to be followed, rather than Jesus, for instance, I mean, dude.

Speaking of Jesus, he's mentioned in various forms, Jesus/Son/Christ, all of 18 times in this article. Jesus actually gets less mentions than the organization. What a shocking turn of events!

"For Christ's followers to be successful, the work would need to be well-organized."--paragraph 10, p. 25. The Father, Son, and holy spirit working 24-7 can't get the preaching work done without us to fill out the paperwork!

"Do we take time to periodically reflect on the workings of Jehovah's organization?"--paragraph 16, p. 26. There's something unsettling about that one...reminds me of how they would encourage people to meditate on things that Jehovah has done for us. But there's an extra word in there somewhere...

"Meditating on what Jehovah is accomplishing through his organization is good for us. Along with this wonderful organization, may we be resolved to keep focused on the more important things."--paragraph 17, p. 26. <--Man, that line sounds like it could be from one of my parody articles!

There's a lot more going in this article, but...to me it really sounds perilously close to worship of the organization. Well, I guess I ought to skim the next one, because I have a feeling it gets worse from there...

--sd-7