Oops, looks like a certain confusedteenager already did a thread on this. Sorry! I hate the duplicate threads about the same topic, so...well, not hate, just..."love less"? So....guess I could just cut and paste my thoughts onto his thread...
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7July 15th, 2013 Watchtower is available NOW on jw.org
by sd-7 inrather surprised--this is quite early.
usually it's not out until the 15th of the month.
one thing i noticed, which all the hubbub about all the other articles seems to have overshadowed, was on page 26, a brief article about mark sanderson, the newest member of the governing body.. sounds like he was on the career path of a company man.
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July 15th Study Edition Is Up..
by confusedteenager innot sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but yeah.
they just posted up the new watchtower...with the confusing new information.. time for me to go dive into this "new light" and try to see what sense it makes.
of course cedars already nicely did a run down for us.. .
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Dang it! Sorry! I made a new thread about this, my mistake...didn't see your thread...
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July 15th, 2013 Watchtower is available NOW on jw.org
by sd-7 inrather surprised--this is quite early.
usually it's not out until the 15th of the month.
one thing i noticed, which all the hubbub about all the other articles seems to have overshadowed, was on page 26, a brief article about mark sanderson, the newest member of the governing body.. sounds like he was on the career path of a company man.
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Rather surprised--this is quite early. Usually it's not out until the 15th of the month. One thing I noticed, which all the hubbub about all the other articles seems to have overshadowed, was on page 26, a brief article about Mark Sanderson, the newest member of the Governing Body.
Sounds like he was on the career path of a company man. What I found noteworthy, which probably shouldn't be, was the sentence, "Brother Sanderson was raised in San Diego, California, U.S.A., by his Christian parents and was baptized on February 9, 1975."
First I note the term "Christian parents". It occurred to me, as Blondie often wisely points out, that they clearly mean "JW parents", and that "Christian" is a loaded language term, that would mean "Christian" to outsiders and "JW" to insiders, as JWs consider themselves the only Christians. How weird is that, a simple term like "Christian" doesn't even mean Christian?
Secondly, I note that he was baptized in 1975. So he survived the Great Disappointment of 1975 and the Great Purge of the early '80s. Also, he was baptized 40 years after the old cut-off date for anointed ones, 1935. So then...how did he become anointed when he would've been looked upon as 'mentally unstable' or questionable up until the year 2007, when the 1935 cutoff date was removed? Hey, never mind. That never happened, since 1935 never existed as a cutoff date, in line with doublethink, and there has always been room for more anointed ones.
Also, there's a new picture of the new and improved 8-Man Channel of Commmunication, The Faithful and Discreet Slave, The Masters of Our Faith and Future Rulers of Earth, THE GOVERNING BODY!!!! But...I guess I'll leave it to better men to post the photo itself, if they so desire.
So...guess I'll put on an apron, grab my knife and fork, and chow down on this deep, spiritual food they have so lovingly, painstakingly, 5.28-out-of-8-votes-ingly provided...and discuss it in more detail later if time allows.
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The official list of things for which you may be disfellowshipped
by slimboyfat infrom the secret elders' book which states that the list "of course" is "not comprehensive".
nevertheless here are the acts that they deem worthy of specifying as being possible grounds for chucking people out:.
murdermanslaughter such as killing someone while breaking traffic lawsattempting suicidesexual intercourse with someone other than your spouseanal sex with someone other than your spouseoral sex with someone other than your spousesexual stimulation of the genitals of someone other than your spousedelay in reporting a rape?
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So in theory a person could be raped, be judged to have been raped by a court of law, and yet the elders could decide it was not rape and disfellowship the person for fornication.
It's a way for them to avoid the implications of saying 'rape is fornication' while still being able to handle cases of rape in the same exact manner as when they were saying 'rape is fornication' flat out in the literature. If that doesn't tell you how sick these guys are, I don't know what would.
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Best "Modern" Film Noir Movie
by Farkel insay after 1970 for reference, i cast my vote for the 1973 classic, "chinatown.".
what say ye?.
farkel.
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Blade Runner, definitely. Right, like I've seen that much film noir...
It may seem really weird, but sometimes I like to watch 'The Spirit', which is in the noir style, right? Maybe just because it got me through a rough time in my life, when I saw it, 'cause I did a double feature that day. Also it looks good on Blu-ray...
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How long did Jesus shun Peter for denying him 3 times?
by Terry inthe answer is, of course, that jesus did not shun peter.. jesus expected human weakness to reveal itself.
(matt 26:34 jesus said unto him...before the rooster crows, thou shalt deny me three times.).
jesus did not judge people for their weakness.
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Why is there no Reclamation Work specifically dedicated to reaching out to former members for the sake of preserving them?
Whaddya mean there's no Reclamation Work? Elders come up to me once every year, conveniently around September, the start of the new 'service [*cough* fiscal *cough] year', to see if I want to 'repent' of the 'sin' of disagreeing with the Society's teachings.
What? You mean that's...not what you meant. You know, they didn't bother opening the Bible and reading scriptures to me even when they visited my home. They didn't pray with me or for me, that I know of. One would think that's what you should do in such a situation. All they did was tell me there was nothing out there, as if to satisfy themselves (not me) that there was nothing else out there beyond the organization, try to guilt me about not attending meetings with my family (as if I would continue supporting something we spent hours clearly hashing out that I didn't believe in anymore, isn't that the reason you expelled me??), and give me a trite line about returning to the org.
But yeah, this is totally different. I mean, I always knew that Jesus, if he came to a Kingdom Hall, would be DF'd. The reason? He'd refuse to shave his beard and question why anyone would require it!
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"You don't get a second chance to make a first impression" AAWA
by yesidid inthe first impression one has of any group or organization is its name.
that is my problem with "the name'.
active, or even questioning witnesses will undoubtedly be alarmed by the connotation of name.
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They should do a video, called "Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists--The ORGANIZATION Behind the Name", and make it like an epic parody of a WT video. I guess I'm the only one who would have fun with this sort of thing.
The first impression they'll make, though, will be with whatever their next engagement is with Watchtower itself. Lock S-foils in attack position, baby!
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Why I believe my baptism was not valid. (welcome comments)
by thebeliever inwhen i was 11 or 12, my best friend (who's father was also an elder) suggested i get some of my mom's cigarettes for us to smoke.
sounded like a good idea, so i did and we tried it.
i thought it was horrible, but she had done it before and whatever.
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Also, that's a horrible story. Putting kids that age through that sort of trial must've been traumatizing. I guess I was lucky not to have a mom who was a stool pigeon or I'd have been in the same boat for that suicide attempt back in the day. I reckon my son will not be quite so lucky.
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Why I believe my baptism was not valid. (welcome comments)
by thebeliever inwhen i was 11 or 12, my best friend (who's father was also an elder) suggested i get some of my mom's cigarettes for us to smoke.
sounded like a good idea, so i did and we tried it.
i thought it was horrible, but she had done it before and whatever.
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Well, it's clear that the baptism was done without truly, fully understanding what it would mean, for those of us who were fairly young. I was not quite 13 when I got baptized. I knew it was expected of me, and that I was smart enough to know or learn the answers to the baptism questions, and that I had no other plans in mind for my life, so I did it. It was what I wanted, and I'd still be in if I still believed it was the true religion.
But really, can a JW honestly say he or she was baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? Not in my opinion. More like Father, Son and Organization. Think about it. They actually have to go into detail in WT articles about what it means to be baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and holy spirit--as if it isn't self-explanatory, as if it has to be qualified by their specific definition in order to count. That said, the baptism wasn't really a Christian baptism save in appearance only. So it's kind of invalid by definition anyway, if you ask me. But if you still feel the Jesus vibe, and held onto that belief, and always believed it was about faith in Jesus, then I guess it could count, even if it was done under crap circumstances.
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Anybody enjoy looking at old NFL Films productions like, "The Autumn Wind"?
by Theocratic Sedition inthese pieces were nothing more than propaganda ads but dang if they weren't effective.
i get chills of excitiment watching these.
the music, the narraration, the visuals, etc.. truly flawless production.
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It seems like the kind of thing I'd do only if I were stuck somewhere and there were a bunch of old VHS tapes lying around from like 1986 or something. But otherwise, probably not. Even with that said, though, those old football films were pretty cool.
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