Posts by Paulapollos

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The PERFECT Translation...for Churchoids!

by theMadJW in

http://www.themadjws.com/thercvbible.htm.

Paulapollos

Hey thenoblelodge,

good to see you on here, I'll PM you later, to avoid hijacking MADJW's thread, lol

PP

723

The PERFECT Translation...for Churchoids!

by theMadJW in

http://www.themadjws.com/thercvbible.htm.

Paulapollos

Dear MadJW,

Thank you for clearing up for me what you are actually trying to say. Now I seem to understand. Reading your past posts, you seem to accept that JW's teach as much “coprolite” as “Churchianity”, whatever that is.

So I thought, I would post a tribute in honour of you, and your 40+ years of wisdom.

You see, I have to tell the truth. Every time I see one of your posts, I find myself reading it, even though I know I shouldn't. It made me think – why do I find your posts so compelling, simultaneously nauseating yet fascinating? How is it that, despite the fact your comments demonstrate a complete lack of even rudimentary knowledge regarding the Bible, history, sociology, or indeed any other relevant subject - along with staggering ignorance and lack of good manners, which bewilders even me – how is it that I still read your posts?

I realised, it is much like a gangrenous leg. Each day, even though you know that if you peel back the bandages, all you will find is more pungent putrefaction, you simply have to have a look, to find what fresh terrors the infection has worked. And so it is with your posts. I have to read them, chock-full as they are with bumbling blatherings, random ramblings, and inane babbling. Indeed, as you opine your "scholarly" Watchtower wisdom to the board, I must admit your disarticulated ditherings often provoke a chuckle from me. Whatever else posters of this board may have rightly or wrongly observed about certain traits you may lack (reason, knowledge, coherence, style, forethought, clarity, mental stability, and perhaps even sanity) let none accuse you of lacking the ability to provoke incredulous laughter and disbelief as you demonstrate your “unique gifts” on the many and varied subjects you hold forth on.

Wading through your blog, with its' sickeningly self-glorifying back-slapping, and forced bonhomie from your chums, or followers, I could not help but notice the recurring self-declared idea, amidst all the waffle, that you are somewhat like Elijah, mocking false worshippers. And so, as your grand self-delusion continues and your ego-stroking prophetic fulfilment waxes, I can foresee that the only “logical” next-step in your thought world is for you to follow the example of Saul:

“ . 24 An d he also proceeded to strip off his garments and behave, he also, like a prophet before Samuel, and he lay fallen naked all that day and all that night. That is why they came to say: “Is Saul also among the prophets?”

As such, I'm sure you can forgive me as I thank Jehovah that I am a continent away, and there is an ocean obscuring my view.

So, as I sit here with some wine, in the sunny summer afternoon here in the UK, I raise my glass and salute you sir, and pass on my greetings to both you and any other unfortunate soul unlucky enough to inhabit the world of, Kingdom Hall of, immediate vicinity of, or indeed same continent as, the self-styled and certainly appropriately named “MadJW”.

PP

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hated guilt-tripping expressions

by nancy drew in

i always hated when some idiot got up on stage & said "we all have the same amount of hours in the day" than pull a pioneer out of his hat who is a single mother w/kids who works & has a debiliting medical issue.

all designed to make everyone feel like somehow they're playing around & wasting time.

at the dc's or assemblies i also hated when for experiences they would drag up some 90 yr old pio in a wheelchair & some "brother" who works part time but somehow supports a family of 6 and their all pio's.. my thoughts were "what idiot thought this stuff would be encouraging" .

Paulapollos

MadSweeney,

that sounds very interesting. Do let me know some of the points you have come across.

Reading this thread and the point you mane makes me consider how the organisation have redefined the meaning of words such as "encourage", "slave", "discreet", "faithful", "evidently", the recent example of "generation", and of course, in this particualr context, "guilt".

Although the proverb says something like the "foolish make a derision of guilt, but there is agreement of among the upright ones", the WT have redefined the semantics of the phrase to indicate that it is ok to make JW's feel guilty about their service, or supposed lack thereof. A very dangerous and irresponsible thing - no wonder so many people find the experiences "discouraging".

PP

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hated guilt-tripping expressions

by nancy drew in

i always hated when some idiot got up on stage & said "we all have the same amount of hours in the day" than pull a pioneer out of his hat who is a single mother w/kids who works & has a debiliting medical issue.

all designed to make everyone feel like somehow they're playing around & wasting time.

at the dc's or assemblies i also hated when for experiences they would drag up some 90 yr old pio in a wheelchair & some "brother" who works part time but somehow supports a family of 6 and their all pio's.. my thoughts were "what idiot thought this stuff would be encouraging" .

Paulapollos

"The Borg has redefined the word "encouraging" to mean "motivating toward obedience" when it doesn't mean anything of the sort. These parts are supposed to be "encouraging" in that the listener is supposed to feel DIScouraged about their current behavior and therefore motivated to conform to the expectations of the Borg."

excellent point madsweeney

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hated guilt-tripping expressions

by nancy drew in

i always hated when some idiot got up on stage & said "we all have the same amount of hours in the day" than pull a pioneer out of his hat who is a single mother w/kids who works & has a debiliting medical issue.

all designed to make everyone feel like somehow they're playing around & wasting time.

at the dc's or assemblies i also hated when for experiences they would drag up some 90 yr old pio in a wheelchair & some "brother" who works part time but somehow supports a family of 6 and their all pio's.. my thoughts were "what idiot thought this stuff would be encouraging" .

Paulapollos

It's very interesting - I never felt discouraged by these examples, rather encouraged to do more. Yet, the more I speak to people, the more it seems people were discouraged by this kind of thing.

At one assembly, there was a person who looked like he needed to rest and get as much medical treatment as possible - he was in a wheelchair, and when I saw him up close, he was haggard and drawn, a man who was too obviously burning the candle at both ends in the service. Yet when he went on the platform, all the brothers applauded the fact that he was killing himself.

A very guilt-tripping, effort based, religion.I seem to remember an article once talking about planning TV viewing and so forth, so as to spend more time in Jehovah's service.....

PP

723

The PERFECT Translation...for Churchoids!

by theMadJW in

http://www.themadjws.com/thercvbible.htm.

Paulapollos

Dear MadJW,

I don't know if this is just me, it probably is. But the more I read your comments, the more confused I get. What, exactly. are you trying to say?

That to be a "true Christian", you just have to be a Jew who accepts Jesus is the Messiah? Because, that's what Jehovah's Witnesses basically puport to be, isn't it? In the parlance of first-century Christianity, "judaizers"?

And are you saying that anyone who leaves JW is leaving because they are immoral? Not because they don't believe JW's are teaching "Bible truth"? So no-one can leave for any doctrinal reason? God rejects them?

And what is this constant refrain of "Churchianity"?

Forgive me, but I deign to your superior (40+) years of experience, and wait to get some clarity here. If you don't want to tell me, perhaps someone else can - what is this person actually saying?

PP

723

The PERFECT Translation...for Churchoids!

by theMadJW in

http://www.themadjws.com/thercvbible.htm.

Paulapollos

MadJw,

Every time I have seen you on this site, you accuse people of "ignorance", "immaturity" and so on. Then I saw this comment of yours:

"So, if all groups ARE flawed, what about the one Jesus said would be preaching the Good News of the KINGDOM world wide?"

With the greatest respect, this is the most ignorant thing I think I have ever seen you post. Are you actually seriously attempting to say that the message Jesus preached and the message the Witnesses preached is the same, or even similiar - that there will be a paradise earth ruled over by 144,000 kings?!!!! Why not allow your own "prophet-like" organisation to tell you what the "Good News of the KINGDOM" is:

*** w79 12/15 pp. 5-6 How Powerful Is The Good News? ***
OF ALL the messages published throughout the centuries, the “good news” set forth in the Holy Scriptures has had the greatest motivating power for good. The Bible refers to it as “the good news of the kingdom,” “the good news about Jesus Christ,” “the good news of the undeserved kindness of God,” “the good news of God,” “the good news of peace” and the “everlasting good news.” (Matt. 4:23; Mark 1:1; Acts 20:24; Rom. 15:16; Eph. 6:15; Rev. 14:6) This “good news” is primarily the message that salvation or everlasting life is possible on the basis of genuine faith in the atoning benefits of Jesus Christ’s sacrifice, and that God’s kingdom by Christ will bring all things on earth into perfect unity with the holy heavens. (Acts 4:12; Rom. 1:16; Eph. 1:7-14) Why does that message have a powerful effect on those accepting it?

Jesus and the apostles preached that - not this mongrel Adventist message that you state is a fulfillment of prophecy. To state that is to be ignorant.

Love to you and yours

PP

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Of what am I to be 'repentant'?

by AK - Jeff in

here is the classic 'formula' for reinstatement based on the 11/15/06 watchtower article paragraph 8 and 9 entitled: always accept jehovah's discipline.. .

clearly, then, a sinner must be repentant if he is to receive mercy.

however, neither shame nor fear of exposure is repentance.

Paulapollos

I would presume that in the scenario you outlined - apostasy and then the organisation changing belief to the "apostate" belief - the repentance that would be desired would be some "heartfelt regret" at having "run ahead of the divinely appointed channel" for "dispensing spiritual truth". It would seem that it would be a question of obedience to authority, rather than content of belief.

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GB's response to rising Memorial partakers

by 5thGeneration in

br.

pierce addressed the rising number of memorial partakers at the convention on sunday.. he said that many are asking why the number of partakers is going up year after year.. his response (paraphrasing): "it's none of our business.

it's jehovah's business".. in other words, shut up and keep your place.. 5th.

Paulapollos

This really got me thinking - the Governing Body could easily solve this "conundrum" by going back to an earlier position, and stating that there are two heavenly classes, and that both should partake - I can actually visualise the WT and the reasoning now

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September 15th Watchtower is making me feel literally ill

by sd-7 in

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...i can't believe how loaded it is with all manner of arrogance, organizational chest-thumping/idolatry, and i still haven't gotten to the last article yet!

i know...i shouldn't be reading it.

i just...need to know what's going on so i can at least know what's going into my family's heads.

Paulapollos

Hi,

This is actually the first time since I left that I have read through an entire study edition of the Watchtower. I have to say that sadly, it is very depressingly, the same information that it always has been. I had hoped that over time perhaps there might be a softening of the focus on the Governing Body, yet listening to the Drama this year, and reading this Watchtower just confirms that my hopes were unfounded.

I must say that what particularly galls me is the anachronisms - the insuinuation that there were "travelling representatives" during the 1st century, akin to today's organisational structure, the insinuation that there really was a Governing Body analogous to today's, featured in this WT and the Drama. It seems that the view that was current during my membership, that simple repetition of a point, irrespective of proof, is enough to warrant it's acceptance by regular Witnesses, is alive and kicking. Frankly, it really is behaviour that you would not believe unless you saw it.

Still, I too was in that position. It is only now that I am truly willing to examine the evidence that 607 is incorrect - only now am I considering ordering "The Gentile Times Reconsidered". If, on such a major point as that, it has taken this amount of time to seriously consider alternatives, no wonder Witnesses will accept "smaller" statements of "facts" as the ones found in this WT and the Drama.

Regards

PP