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Is there encouragement and hope for the disfellowshipped?
by Butterflyleia85 ini am 24 years old i was disfellowshipped at 21 and reinstated last year january then committed a sin and disfellowshipped again five months later.. i don't think i realized what i got into.
i tried hard to fend for myself and get back in, the pressure got to me and i fell out again.
but since i understood what it entailed i fought hard to stay in.
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I always come here for help first... a group called bible students
by Butterflyleia85 inhello friends,.
it's been a long time... i'm on my husbands computer because my laptop broke down and i been procrastinating to fix it.. i was starting a thing where i was posting catching the manipulation in sundays watchtower article and getting feedback on where i could find the manipulation.
but havent been able to do it because my phone just cant handle all the data, my laptop has black screen, and this is my husbands computer (getting on here is less convenient then my laptop thats mobile and will i can get things done at the same time).. even though i havent been sharing my comments every once in a while i kept coming back here to observe.
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Butterflyleia85
Hello Friends,
It's been a long time... I'm on my husband’s computer because my laptop broke down and I been procrastinating to fix it.
I was starting a thing where I was posting “Catching the Manipulation in Sunday’s Watchtower Article” and getting feedback on where I could find the manipulation. But haven’t been able to do it because my phone just can’t handle all the data, my laptop has black screen, and this is my husband’s computer (getting on here is less convenient then my laptop that’s mobile and will I can get things done at the same time).
Even though I haven’t been sharing my comments every once in a while I kept coming back here to observe. I miss you guys! I haven’t even seen you in person and I feel a connection of understanding and insight. My phone has a application that allows it to access facebook a lot easier. So I been looking at group discussions such as “Jehovah’s Witness Discussions”, “Kingdom Christians”, and others. This one ( www.jehovahs-witness.net ) is the only one I still feel warm and cozy. Sota Speak. I guess cause it was my first Jehovah’s Witnesses network of friends. I never been so open about like I am today.
My question is though… that all this connection brought me to a group called Bible Students. Can I hear some opinions on this?
I couldn’t believe at first that such a group existed!!! It almost answers my prayers but also there’s this side of me that is afraid I guess…
I also came across this website: http://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/
Again I’m so happy and shocked and a bit confused but excited to see this.
So far I had done so much research enough to allow me to actually visit another church. I still don’t believe much of the orthodox, catholic, and protestant beliefs… but was open to the idea of nondenominational churches or community church. I also was thinking of groups like freethinkers or humanist. But it just seems still too much out of my comfort zone. So when I was approached with a bible group brought about before Jehovah’s Witnesses became what they are today it sparked my interest. I began looking at the books and it’s still a bet scary to me… any opinions on this… all comments are welcome! J
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Something changed...and not for the better
by WuzLovesDubs ini was away over the weekend....came back monday.
jw dh is acting more strange than he usually is to me.
he went to the meeting tuesday night which he never does.
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Butterflyleia85
Awww man I'm so sorry to hear about your husband... I wish I been on here more (maybe you have a story as to your struggle/battle with your husband's wish-washy ways of you and your "apostate" thinking... I know I have with my family, in that case I totally relate). If my son (which at the time is only 11 months) was being pulled to thier "cult" ways I would have a freek out!! I want my son to have a choice not a brained washed way of thinking...
Right now I feel for you and your family! {hugs}
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Happy New Years Everyone
by Butterflyleia85 ini'm kinda late but i didnt know i could get on here from my phone.
my labtop screen went out.
have to get it fixed sometime so i can post on here more.
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yes it is sizemik. :)
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Young People Ask . . . March 2012 Awake
by sizemik ini read very little wts propaganda these days, even on-line stuff .
unless it's for a specific purpose.
most of you will identify with that.. i perused this article while checking out something else and was disturbed by the manipulative reasoning directed at jw youths.
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Butterflyleia85
omg wow that is interesting they even mention being popular. but i do recall when i was a jw sayin that exact same thing... that being popular in school never really bothered me. i liked feeling like i had a gift from god no one else had. i felt being a jw was a gift and only a few had it.
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Happy New Years Everyone
by Butterflyleia85 ini'm kinda late but i didnt know i could get on here from my phone.
my labtop screen went out.
have to get it fixed sometime so i can post on here more.
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Butterflyleia85
i'm kinda late but i didnt know i could get on here from my phone. my labtop screen went out. have to get it fixed sometime so i can post on here more. just an update my sister has deleted me from facebook. not totally sure way but i have an idea sence reciently i been posting christmas stuff... and fully been open about my stand of what i think of the jws. it's hard to see her take such a stand but its not suprising.
i hope people can read this ok. weird but my caps don't work on here.
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Catching the Manipulation in Sundays Watchtower Article
by Butterflyleia85 ininspired by many on jwn board, my goal is to every sunday study the article and find the manipulative parts.
if you would like to join me that would be great!
we can then find them together and then find what the scriptures or insights truly means with research, our own understanding, or maybe how it should be interpreted to ones self.
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Butterflyleia85
Many years ago I knew a sister who was regularly beaten black and blue by her husband. She refused to take part in then forbidden sex-acts.
The elders told her that as she was not giving her husband enough of his "due" this was why he was angry and abusive. The fact she felt like a mere practice board for his fantasies did not interest them.
hampsterbait That's exactly what happened to my Mother. :( My mother excepted the councel given by the elders too (1985-1990 I suffered a great deal of abuse because of that too). But at least she left him when she did, my sister didn't have to suffer like we did. :)
Haha Thanks for your comment punkofnice
wha happen? that's how I understand it too... for example there are like 10 weak ones out of 12 Jehovah's Witnesses (my personal estament).
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Be thankful modern day Apostates.....Why???????
by justmom in....to be an apostate is just as terrible a thing to the wtbs as being a witch or a sorcerer.. .
if the wtbs could legally get away with it, they would literally behead or stone to death all of us just like in mideaval times.. how i know so.
just monday this week a saudi arabian woman was beheaded on charges of being a witch ( they found a book on sorcery and some vials of "healing potions") as she claimed to be a healer.. philip luther, interin direct of amnesty international, said "charges of witchcraft and sorcery are not defined as crimes in saudi arabia".
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Butterflyleia85
Totally agree love having a voice without fear
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Catching the Manipulation in Sundays Watchtower Article
by Butterflyleia85 ininspired by many on jwn board, my goal is to every sunday study the article and find the manipulative parts.
if you would like to join me that would be great!
we can then find them together and then find what the scriptures or insights truly means with research, our own understanding, or maybe how it should be interpreted to ones self.
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Butterflyleia85
Inspired by many on JWN board, my goal is to every Sunday study the article and find the manipulative parts. If you would like to join me that would be great! We can then find them together and then find what the scriptures or insights truly means with research, our own understanding, or maybe how it should be interpreted to one’s self. The benefit here is yes we have Critical Thinking Skills and/or we have the power of Holy Spirit.
Please ALL comments are welcome, for example:
For ones believing in God who uses prayer and Holy Spirit, others scriptures or interpretations are welcome!
For ones who don’t believe in God but enjoy theology using the scripture insight for their ethical principles, other sources, quotes, or words of wisdom are welcome!
Watchtower (Study) — OCTOBER 15, 2011 for December 5-11
Wise Counsel on Singleness and Marriage
{Scripture under title} “This I am saying . . . to move you to that which is becoming and that which means constant attendance upon the Lord without distraction.”—1 COR. 7:35.
My examination is: A demanding demeanor but looking at other translations you see how lovingly this was said as this is a benefit for you not a demand, to serve the Lord best.
1 Corinthians 7:35
New Living Translation (NLT)
35 I am saying this for your benefit, not to place restrictions on you. I want you to do whatever will help you serve the Lord best, with as few distractions as possible.
1 Corinthians 7:35
Worldwide English (New Testament) (WE)
35 I say this to help you, not to make it hard for you. I want to show you what is good. I do not want anything to stop you from serving the Lord.
1 Corinthians 7:35
King James Version (KJV)
35And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction.
1 Corinthians 7:35
New International Version (NIV)
35 I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.
{paragraph 5} 5 A notable feature of Paul’s words to the Corinthians is his positive view of singleness. (Read 1 Corinthians 7:8.) Although Paul was unmarried, he did not exalt himself over those who were married, as the celibate clergy of Christendom do. Rather, the apostle highlighted an advantage that many unmarried ministers of the good news enjoy. What is that advantage?
My examination is: “exalt himself “ wow yeah like the Governing Body does as a group when comparing themselves to leaders and telling them to obey their nonsense (note back to the September Watchtower we just got through with), like that’s any better. Funny they had to add in the second sentence in the paragraph, “celibate clergy of Christendom” pretty much disrespects the Catholics right there. http://www.futurechurch.org/fpm/history.htm
“Peter, the first pope, and the apostles that Jesus chose were, for the most part, married men. The New Testament implies that women presided at Eucharistic meals in the early church” My link just shows that pretty much they recognize the advantage of singleness but they did have popes who were married.
{Paragraph 7} 7 Many unmarried Christians use their current circumstances to accomplish much in behalf of the Kingdom. Sara and Limbania, single pioneers in Bolivia, moved to a village where the people had not received a witness for years. Would the lack of electricity be a problem? They reported: “There is no radio or TV, so the people are not distracted from their main pastime, which is reading.” Some villagers showed the pioneers copies of publications of Jehovah’s Witnesses that they were still reading but that were long out of print. Because the sisters found interest at almost every door,
they had difficulty calling on every household in the territory. One elderly woman told them: “The end must be near because Jehovah’s Witnesses have reached us at last.” Some in that village were soon attending congregation meetings.
My examination is: Probably because they learned that the teachings have changed that only SOME started attending meetings and they have also learned that sadly the end isn’t here yet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaXbBVVoeEQ&feature=player_embedded
and well it will always be near for the Jehovah’s Witnesses, they claimed to many times the date of the end and will it never came so now it will always be near!
{Paragraph 12} 12 A single Christian desiring to get married may receive a proposal from someone of doubtful spirituality or even from an unbeliever. If that happens to you, remember that the heartache that results from making a bad choice in a marriage mate can cause greater pain by far than the longing that a person feels while single. And once married, for better or for worse, you are bound to your mate for life. (1 Cor. 7:27)Do not out of desperation make a decision to marry that you will later regret.—Read 1 Corinthians 7:39
My examination is: Remember that there is only heart ache when … [you listen to the elders and not your heart guided by reasoning of coarse] can cause greater pain by far than [being a numb person that keeps themselves overly busy to avoid what they truly want in life]. Half way true statement in the paragraph here. Nobody wants to marry and regret it later. But there are many ones that have married an unbeliever and have become a better person and lived in good standing by the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
{Paragraph 19} 19 Servants of Jehovah are resolved to remain morally chaste. Some decide to marry so as to avoid problems in this area. Marriage, though, does not furnish automatic protection against sexual uncleanness. In Bible times, a fortified city protected the people only if they remained inside its walls. If a person went outside the gate when bandits and marauders were roaming about, he could be robbed or killed. Likewise, married people find protection from immorality only if they stay within the sexual bounds that the Originator of marriage has established for them.
My examination is: (Looking at it from a different perspective) In Bible times, a fortified city (kinda like the Organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses) protected the people only if they remained inside its walls (strict rules to keep them in).
If a person went outside the gate (if a person got disfellowshipped) when bandits and marauders were roaming about (maybe they are referring to prostitutes and hookers that seem to be at every corner, just kidding) he could be robbed or killed (because the guy like many disfellowshipped can’t think for themselves and maybe can’t contain themselves so people take advantage of him/them)
Ok ok So I kinda got off the main point here. They are trying to avoid ones to get married recklessly but with some leeway… I mean we don’t want people to go around having sex or have “brazen conduct” with random partners all the time and call themselves Christian right? Ahh it brings me back to when I had a few brothers who were neither interested in marrying me or courting me but interested in giving me “my first kiss” etc. and well hearing of his conduct with other women he was messing with (words from him himself I messed around with so and so), I was a bet insulted and couldn’t believe how some brothers could go around with this persona and yet be doing this in the background.
Funny thing is men that weren’t Jehovah’s Witnesses with Christian backgrounds and with good morals (not standards like JW that is) gave more respect to woman when dating them then most “desperate” Jehovah Witness men! Yes some may have felt it was ok personally for sex before marriage but when discussing it with them they were raised the same way in that it was looked down upon.
Side note: There are interesting tips on morals and humanist principles that relate to the body. Refer to Parenting Beyond Belief by Dale McGowan who identified seven secular virtues. For other guidance I found this site to be helpful http://www.religiousinstitute.org/staff-resources/the-gift-of-sexuality
{Paragraph 20} …However, some husbands and wives spend long periods of time apart—taking separate vacations or being away from each other because of secular work, thus depriving each other of the “due.”…
My Examination is: Why can’t they say because of too much studying, talks to bring up, counseling of the sheep, field service work, or regular meetings. No but their jobs can get in the way… well let’s think of why they have to do secular work and deprive of their “due”.
- discouraged of furthering their education
-discouraged of taking any work period that hinders their meeting attendance and field service etc.
- the job market in in-itself is in poor shape
-most have faced unemployment and have to find what they can to provide for their family (because yes the Organization can demand obedience but can they provide anything other than hope)
Maybe they need to look at the problem they are causing… more harm than good is what I see.
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Christmas Origins VS. Watchtower's 1914
by Butterflyleia85 inok sooo this of course has nothing to do with each other but the reasoning is beneficial for critical thinkers.
christmas is one of the most popular holidays that has spread throughout the world.
what one can think is that this holiday must have its significance, yes greatly influenced but in order for something to be so influenced it has to have ground of truth and honesty behind it.
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http://www.gizapyramid.com/pyr.htm
very interesting read here... It reminds me of the documentory that my husband was watching last night talking about Pyramids and Aliens... How they felt the ancient times knew something we didn't and could it been a possibility of alien's visiting thier time. Hahah I told Eric wow now that's a stretch.
Here is something too... to further my research of C.T. Russell and his claim of the pyramids prodiction of 1914...
