Posts by Butterflyleia85

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My First Christmas

by excito-are in

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hey everyone.

i have decieded to celebrate my first christmas this year.

i was a born in jw and now aged 32 and having not been to a meeting in a year this is a big step for me.

Butterflyleia85

Awww that's so awesome! This coming Dec will be my second, but my first with my fiance!

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How Many Here Actually "Studied" The Publications?

by minimus in

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when i was a teenager i extensively studied nearly every publication.

i especially enjoyed looking up the root words meanings in the hebrew and greek of the bible language.

it gave me the flavor of a word and its origins.

I went through phases, some years I would go into deep studying, others I would half a** it just to get it done. It was so boring at times. I remember once in a blue moon getting so inspired and worked up over a subject, I had all the Publications spread out in my room reading and researching it one by one.

Over all though most of us I think would admit we...

Just reading and underlining whatever it was we were studying. Often times I didn't even read the scriptures that were listed in the paragraph.

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There's A Ghost At My Place Of Employment

by finallysomepride in

ok some of you will laugh at this, but it's true, there is a spirit that haunts the premises where i work.. it has spoken to me once when i was locking up, it was 1 single word "hello", i looked around and saw nothing, i ignored it, set the alarm locked the door & went home.

other times i have felt something brush passed me as i have entered the building early in the morning.

the experience that got to me most happened the other nite when i was called back to the store by security, as i pulled into the drive way there was a man standing at the rear of the building, in the split second of looking away he dissapeared, there's no way that he could have run off the property in that split second.. what do you think?.

Butterflyleia85

I use to be a skeptic and I'm probably still more skeptical then not. But I believe there are paranormal activity going on among us! We may not understand it or not all of us witnessed it, but there are to many people and to many strange things that we do witness and can't discribe for us to deny that there is things beyond our normal surroundings.

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A Hypocritical Witness Story

by tryingtoexit in

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so i have this girl i've grown up with right.

she's about 4 years younger than me and always had a crush on me in our teenage years, but i never dated her cause i looked at her like my lil sister or cousin.

i get married in 2006, and she doesnt come because she was too hurt to see me make that step and it not involve her...because of this we lost touch for a while.

Butterflyleia85

Haha she needs to get laid by some hotter then you I guess... lol ....Worked for me! jk jk (um not really... I had a huge crush on a different guy befor I met the guy I thought I feel in love with) wow yeah that seriously was in my crazy days.

Yeah I feel ya man... we girls can be a pain sometimes. lol It's good to know that some of us move on and actually do grow up. For me I think the best think ever that that guy could have done was join the army and marry this other girl plus didn't talk to me and I didn't talk to him. I officially could move on and now I'm engaged to this wonderful amazing guy... and I did it all the right way. I still think about his family but since I left the JW organization and no longer go to the meetings, a year later it's like the JW world no longer exists. I feel good and free. I once and a while have relapses with my feels about being DF because of my family but for you if you leave silently... you will be better off then me, at least you wont have the DF title on your back and the nosy gospers will eventually be less likely to intefer with your personal life depending the scene your wife leaves, but that's just what I've witnessed, on this board you can find some with a different story. I just now got my hands on Crisis of Conscience by Ray Franz, I would consider reading it and sharing it with your wife. It maybe an eye opener... and that would be important for your wife's opinion on things an helping with your smooth exit.

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There's A Ghost At My Place Of Employment

by finallysomepride in

ok some of you will laugh at this, but it's true, there is a spirit that haunts the premises where i work.. it has spoken to me once when i was locking up, it was 1 single word "hello", i looked around and saw nothing, i ignored it, set the alarm locked the door & went home.

other times i have felt something brush passed me as i have entered the building early in the morning.

the experience that got to me most happened the other nite when i was called back to the store by security, as i pulled into the drive way there was a man standing at the rear of the building, in the split second of looking away he dissapeared, there's no way that he could have run off the property in that split second.. what do you think?.

Butterflyleia85

Ha good post topic... I currently have little debates about this with my fiance. I beleive that there are spirit creatures both good and bad (demons and angels). My fiance believes there are angels, demons or "intelligent spirits", or ghostly humans stuck in a relm beyond what we see but that are among us. We watch TAPS, Ghost Hunters, Ghost Lab, and Destination Truth... We are both interested in the paranormal world. Don't understand it but still interesting to see.

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Do you regret confessing your sins to the elders?

by asilentone in

yes, i do!

i did it 20 years ago, but the elders still remember what i did, sometimes i wish they never knew about it.

.

Butterflyleia85

God do I ever!!! That one thing I think that changed my world all together! Geez I was so nieve!

I was taking it like they were counselors... but geez was I wrong. I been to counselors and know it's nothing like it. What you say effects their judgement on weither you are worthy enough to be a Jehovah's Witness! (to all the newbies on here) It's not right at all... You can't trust man!! That's a fact. You keep your secrets to yourself... if you know whats good for you, pray about them with God and make your ajustments. If you need to let out something do it in a safe envorment and someone looking out for your well being that you can trust!!

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A Hypocritical Witness Story

by tryingtoexit in

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so i have this girl i've grown up with right.

she's about 4 years younger than me and always had a crush on me in our teenage years, but i never dated her cause i looked at her like my lil sister or cousin.

i get married in 2006, and she doesnt come because she was too hurt to see me make that step and it not involve her...because of this we lost touch for a while.

Butterflyleia85

Just curious how old are you? (then I can see how old she is)

As far as you talking to her,... I know she's like a sister to you but your married and I just wonder how your wife feels or if she knows at all... not trying to say this to make you feel bad or anything, I'm just curious how this is all played out. I mean it would be different if you shared the text that that girl sends and you and your wife are both looking at her text and laugh (or whatever your "friendly" feelings are).

Is she someone you would consider being friends with after you leave JW organization? Yeah I agree with your feelings

ROTFL!! Hilarious, how hypocritical man....I havent responded yet, I dont think I will, but the logic of even witnesses that dont live the way the WTS wants them too is even funny to me. I dont know where I've got this strength from, but I feel I'm ready to take on everybody and count my losses because in the end my freedom feels more important in my heart than ANYBODY......FAMILY......or FRIEND...

I have had experiances like that... one of my friends was a hypocritical... really evil married girl. I kinda mentioned her in other posts but yeah I laugh of the whole thing. It's really rediculous how things are runned in the Organization... It allows some to run around as hypocrites, the repented to be punished, and the forgiven to suffer... And sence Elders act as police once they get suspicious or get whiff of a rumor, it allows alot of chaos with them interviening with family matters. So be careful who you tell? She kinda sounds like the type that likes drama.

And becareful incouraging her flirting. Obviously she likes you. Do you like her? She's a hopeless romantic.. hence the chasing after a married man. Don't incourage it. It's just torchering her and it's not making much of you... besides your ego. Again not trying to be rude... I mean I know what that feels like but somewhere that playful flirting has to stop... unless you want something to come of her and you.

#1. How you claim you a spiritual minded chick when you dont even know the grounds for divorce mentioned in ANY bible?! #2. Look in the mirror at everything "worldly" you're doing in your life but you're going to cut me off because I investigated my religion and no longer decided to be in it? (Makes a lot of sense huh?) and #3. So I lost my chance of being with you because I dont want to be a JW anymore???

I'm sure she doesn't feel like she is all spiritual.. I think it's more like a feeling of I'm a Jehovah's Witness and I know divorce is bad and being out in the world is bad. That's all. She doesn't really use logic or her mind of reasoning instead she just goes with oh I remember we aren't suppost to do that... and then be wishy washy about the rest. She numbs her conscience to certain things or justifies it in her mind that well at least I don't do this... It's kinda what I went through when I was in denial. I had a DF boyfriend for a short period of time when I was going through denial... I was inoccent and a good girl as far as being a JW goes but once I took that risk of meeting my soon to be mistake of a life time, I was in all denial.

First, I thought he loved me. Umm why because he said it to me when we were drunk (at the time had no idea what drunk does to a person). Then from then on he said he loved me after I said I loved him. Finally after a week of saying we love each other, he confesses and says sorry I said I loved you but really I don't love you, I mean geez we don't even no each other. Ok so that made sence I agreed and I then said yeah I kinda said it because you said it first (which he doesn't remember because he was drunk)... well a day passes and I'm going crazy inside... maybe I really was in love. I mean I never said this before and now this was my first love (in my head at the time). Yeah I look back and roll my eye, God I was so dumb. I learned it was infatuation. And that is strong in itself, especially when your both attracted to each other physically. But it effected me and hurt me... I held on to this fictious love for 2 years before I really got over it. And geez we only dated for 2 weeks... crazy. This excuse though got me to do crazy things... I was hurt so inorder to get over it I dated others... I did things justifying my wrong and I hide things. It didn't make it right but I was angry and bitter bout the whole thing. He wasn't even around to witness it so I don't know really were my mind was at that time. Like I said I was dumb and immuture. But he would keep intouch with me and I would him... I think it was to boost his ego and for me it was just away of keeping tabs on him. We both had our own relationships with someone else but still we had to play this games. We would say we were just friends but in all reality it was more a secret game between us.

Just saying... I'd be careful with this girl. Umm yeah we kinda had a relapse... my public reproof for being with a DF turn into my first DFment because of that relapse. (I was kinda attracted to the dark side... but as far as being a JW I remember say to him out of fear, we can't talk because you are DF and I didn't want to get into anymore trouble, well hello I can commit a sin the be justified by telling him he can't talk to me because his DF then realize later I love him and say, oh my bad, lets talk and be friends, ha yeah right we commit a sin again, yeah I wasn't the brightest on in the world)

That happened 3 years ago, and look at me now. I just now found out after investigating my religion that it wasn't the truth. So take her as an ignorate person for the time being. Maybe she will grow up and investigate it herself. She still has alot of growing up to do as far as the hopeless romantic thing... So I'd ignore her flirting and only talk to her when she is being serious.... but that's just if you truely care for her like a sister... let her know your stand between her and you.

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Why weren't the rebellious angels destroyed?

by jabberwock in

nearly every living thing is drowned to death because of the badness and general mischief going on during noah's day.

why aren't the angels who materialized bodies and fathered a race of giant, violent freaks destroyed as well?.

i know that they, presumably, left their bodies just in time to escaped the flood, but that shouldn't be enough to escape the wrath of almighty god.. it's interesting that the genesis account says very little about them.

Butterflyleia85

Jehovah God allows "an operation of error" to go to persons who prefer falsehood "that they may get to believing the lie" rather than the good news about Jesus Christ. (2Th 2:9-12) This principle is illustrated by what happened centuries earlier in the case of Israelite King Ahab. Lying prophets assured Ahab of success in war against Ramoth-gilead, while Jehovah’s prophet Micaiah foretold disaster. As revealed in vision to Micaiah, Jehovah allowed a spirit creature to become "a deceptive spirit" in the mouth of Ahab’s prophets. That is to say, this spirit creature exercised his power upon them so that they spoke, not truth, but what they themselves wanted to say and what Ahab wanted to hear from them. Though forewarned, Ahab preferred to be fooled by their lies and paid for it with his life.—1Ki 22:1-38; 2Ch 18.

it-2 p. 245

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Why weren't the rebellious angels destroyed?

by jabberwock in

nearly every living thing is drowned to death because of the badness and general mischief going on during noah's day.

why aren't the angels who materialized bodies and fathered a race of giant, violent freaks destroyed as well?.

i know that they, presumably, left their bodies just in time to escaped the flood, but that shouldn't be enough to escape the wrath of almighty god.. it's interesting that the genesis account says very little about them.

Butterflyleia85

... in view of the fact that even God’s angels are shown to be mortal, despite their possessing spirit bodies, not carnal ones. Angelic mortality is evident in view of the judgment of death entered against the spirit son who became God’s Adversary, or Satan, and also against those other angels who followed that satanic course and "did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place." (Jude 6; Mt 25:41; Re 20:10, 14)

it-1 p. 1190

Nothing suggests that these spirit creatures were to be like robots in obeying God. Rather, he endowed them with intelligence and free will. Biblical accounts indicate that God encourages freedom of thought and freedom of action—confident that these pose no permanent threat to peace and harmony in the universe. Paul, using the personal name for the Creator, as found in the Hebrew Bible, wrote: "Now Jehovah is the Spirit; and where the spirit of Jehovah is, there is freedom."—2 Corinthians 3:17.

ct. chap. 6 p. 87

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Why weren't the rebellious angels destroyed?

by jabberwock in

nearly every living thing is drowned to death because of the badness and general mischief going on during noah's day.

why aren't the angels who materialized bodies and fathered a race of giant, violent freaks destroyed as well?.

i know that they, presumably, left their bodies just in time to escaped the flood, but that shouldn't be enough to escape the wrath of almighty god.. it's interesting that the genesis account says very little about them.

Butterflyleia85

Here are some rebel angels that got destroyed...

10To emphasize that God will take action against willful wrongdoers, Peter provides from the Scriptures three warning examples. First, he writes: "God did not hold back from punishing the angels that sinned." These, Jude says, "did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place" in heaven. They came to earth before the Flood and took on fleshly bodies so as to engage in sexual relations with the daughters of men. As punishment for their improper, unnatural conduct, they were thrown into "Tartarus," or as Jude’s account says, they were "reserved with eternal bonds under dense darkness for the judgment of the great day."—2 Peter 2:4; Jude 6; Genesis 6:1-3.

11Next, Peter refers to the people of Noah’s day. (Genesis 7:17-24) He says that in Noah’s time God "did not hold back from punishing an ancient world . . . when he brought a deluge upon a world of ungodly people." Finally, Peter writes that God set "a pattern for ungodly persons of things to come" by "reducing the cities Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes." Jude gives the additional information that those individuals "committed fornication excessively and [went] out after flesh for unnatural use." (2 Peter 2:5, 6; Jude 7) Men not only had illicit sexual relations with women but lusted for the flesh of other men, possibly even for the flesh of brute beasts.—Genesis 19:4, 5; Leviticus 18:22-25.

w97 9/1 p. 15