I'm not from out that way, but quick question for you. How'd you come up with your screen name? I just read that the eses and blacks went at it in Pitchess LA County Jail.
miseryloveselders
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Anyone from the South Los Angeles area ? (also Carson,Long Beach,Compton areas too.)
by Pitchess Co-Gen ini'm from that area and my grandfather was a very prestigious elder.
tell me your name and congregations and stories.
( i love everyones stories .
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Did you ever know any JW's/Pioneers who frequented popular nightspots and got drunk?
by James_Slash init used to make me sick at these hypocrites.. they would be at the meeting the next day or out in field service, obviously still intoxicated from the night before but putting a show on before the congregation.
i knew a couple of girls who would be regulary doing this over a weekend yet they would be pioneers all week, answering up at the meetings yet would be heading into popular nightspots and coming home at 4am drunk.
their dad was an elder (surprise, surprise).. i remember telling an elder about this once.
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miseryloveselders
I've seen situations such as this, one of which resulted in a pioneer getting temporarily removed. She was regularly getting wasted at a bar in her neighborhood. If not for the fact that it wasn't in a local bar, there's a possibility she may have not been removed. If she was getting wasted at her home, and someone mentioned it to the body, they'd investigate it, but because it's not general public knowledge, they won't act on it, other than maybe mentioned that she needs to consider how her conduct may stumble others. In this case, she was doing it in front of everybody in the bar, so I guess the body's reasoning was the neighbors looked at her like, "she supposed to be a JW, and she drinks like the rest of us."
There's a handful of brothers I know, some elders who I know for a fact are alcoholics. One of which I heard secondhand that worldly relatives of a brother said at some social affair that this elder drank more than the nonJWs. The odd thing is, I believe there's a culture in this organization that sort of condones heavy drinking. Some of it I wonder at times is due to peoples differing tolerances. Some people can do three shots of bourbon and be fine, others do one shot and are ripped. The other thing is drinking is one of the few vices that on the surface seems to be ok by the scriptures. I mean yeah, there's verses stating drunkards won't make it into the kingdom. On the other hand there's verses saying that eating and drinking are the reward for a hard day's work. For some reason drinking is up to anybody's interpretation.
On a side note, this "Brazen" defination may change things come next year. We'll have to see how it plays out.
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The fundamental flaw with the WTBTS as "God's Organization"?
by Essan inthere are countless issues that people have with the society and which together have led to many people realizing that it is not what it claims and pretends to be.
these include things like the secret un affiliation, contradictory and hypocritical stances, (malawi vs mexico vs un/ngo), the ever changing blood policy and ever changing doctrine, failed predictions for armageddon etc, etc, etc.. but what is the consensus about what the fundamental flaw is?.
what i mean is, many jw's hear about these various issues and manage to make endless excuses for them, even though this involves gross hypocrisy and excusing the society for things they would never excuse in other religions and which the society itself has ruthless condemned other religions for over almost 100 years.
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miseryloveselders
The thing I find the most ironic about it all is, when I do a search for an article that makes an argument in support of the Faithful and Discreet Slave as being something prophetic in nature, I can't find anything. I looked in the Insight Books, and if my memory serves me correct, it takes a pot shot at Christendom, and then it still doesn't make an argument to support the Slave Class as being prophetic and only applicable to the WTS.
Maybe this is a job for Blondie or other CD Rom specialists on here. Can anybody locate an article that supports the Faithful and Discreet Slave as something prophetic and applicable to the WT only? I'm asking for an article of some type that logically makes the argument for the WTS being the subject of Christ's parable, and evidence that this parable is more than just an illustration.
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J.R.Brown
by Mall Cop init's been very quiet concerning him.
anyone have an update, information on his where-abouts and current position?
he use to be the spoke-person for the society in the news media etc.
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miseryloveselders
Minimus, I wouldn't be mad if you said it.
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If Someone Tells You They Will Call You At A Certain Time And They Don't....
by minimus inhow does that affect you?.
it ticks me off if i'm waiting for a call and i stop myself from doing something only to not have the person keep the commitment..
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miseryloveselders
I shouldn't even comment on this thread, I'm so guilty of not calling people back when they expect me to. I'm a hypocrite to boot, cuz I hate waiting on late phone calls too!
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J.R.Brown
by Mall Cop init's been very quiet concerning him.
anyone have an update, information on his where-abouts and current position?
he use to be the spoke-person for the society in the news media etc.
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miseryloveselders
Especially Sam Herd. I don't know how he's able to look at himself in the mirror. That picture you see on here occasionally with all the GB members should have made him ashamed. When I first looked at that group photo, I wanted to grab him by the shoulders and yell, "Nigga go home!!"
I remember listening to Howard Stern on the radio several years ago, and some caller said something about JWs, and the caller was white. Howard Stern goes, "I thought JWs were a black religion. They have white JWs?" Robin the co-host was like, "I guess so!" Sam Herd is up in NY cooning for the slave class.
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Is this workplace harassment?
by babygirl30 ini work in pa at a fortune 500 co. the manager i currently have is lazy, has no backbone, and is completely incompetent!
this is not just my personal opinion either - it is a running 'joke' amongst the entire dept of this man's managerial skills (or lack thereof).
so much so that even the other managers will make comments about my manager inability to properly perform his job...so this is what i'm dealing with.. being a very straightforward person, i find that being upfront about issues/situations seems to make things easier.
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miseryloveselders
Me personally as a man, I'd check him. Every now and then you have to put the fear of God into somebody who's way out of pocket. Few things are as hilarious as the look on a coworkers or supervisor's face after discreetly threatning to dump their body where nobody can smell it. The proffesional side of me however is thinking, that if I were in your shoes, being that you're working for a Fortune 500 company, I'd go to HR. Never underestimate the power of HR, especially at major companies that don't like bad publicity. Plus going to HR, they'll put him on notice that they're watching the happenings between the two of you. Supervisors are under enough scrutiny and pressure dealing with whomever they have to answer to. Adding the HR element to things will make him reconsider how he's dealing with you.
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Did you ever try any of the awkward, and somewhat creepy suggestions in the KM for Informal Witnessing?
by miseryloveselders inthe august km, has an article entitled, "you can witness informally!
" this week's service meeting will cover half of the 13 questions.
next week, congregations will finish the article along with a box full of several experiences with successful results from informal witnessing.
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miseryloveselders
The August KM, has an article entitled, "You Can Witness Informally!" This week's Service Meeting will cover half of the 13 questions. Next week, congregations will finish the article along with a box full of several experiences with successful results from Informal Witnessing. When we went over this article on Tuesday, I couldn't help but find humorous and somewhat scary, the suggestions on how to initiate conversation. Look at these...........
1. While waiting to see the doctor, you may spark a conversation by saying, "I'll be glad when I won't get sick anymore."
2. If we observe a parent with well-behaved children, we might commend the parent and ask, "What has helped you to be a successful parent?"
3. One sister takes note of the subjects discussed by others at work and then shares specific information based on what her coworkers are interested in. When she learned that a woman at her job was planning to get married, she gave her an Awake! that discussed how to plan a wedding. This led to further Bible discussions.
4. Another way to start conversations is by reading our literature where others can see us. One brother opens The Watchtower or Awake! to an article with an intriquing title and quietly begins to read it. If he notices someone nearby looking at his magazine, he asks a question or makes a brief comment on the article. This often leads to a conversation and a witness.
5. Simply leaving one of our publications where it is visible may arouse the curiosity of workmates or classmates and prompt them to inquire about it.
6. While shopping at the market, one shy sister first makes eye contact and offers a friendly smile. Of the person smiles back, she makes a brief comment. If the person responds favorably , this gives her the confidence to converse further. She listens carefully and tries to discern which aspect of the good news would appeal to the person. Using this approach, she has placed much lterature and even started a Bible study.
Articles like this give me some idea as to why nonJWs find JWs to be weird or nuts. I could never see myself doing any of this crazy stuff. Have any of you ever tried these suggestions or similar? Did you have any success? Now that you're not a JW or fading, do you see how crazy these suggestions are?
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Reinstatement-Curent elders please reply
by truthlover inwhile being reinstated several months ago -- no restriction were given other than no commenting - service was allowed - getting over the average for the cong, not missing meetings - its been months now and the brother met recently with someof the jc members - they praised his hours and meeting attendance but because his lessons are not completely underlined, and he does make notes during the meeting, he has not been allowed to still make comments and become a fully active member of the congregation as they say this note taking is causing a problem with other members of the congregation.. have you even heard of anything so off the wall?
is this the way its done in most cong??
he thought if someone was interested enough to listen and make notes of a good point in their mags, it would be something to be referred to in the future... i know i have seen folks doing this while the lesson is being read.... .
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miseryloveselders
Wow, I am stunned that they monitor someone so closely as to watch them as to whether they are taking notes or if their WT is underlined!!!!!!
Don't be surprised. I'm a younger elder, and I've never disfellowshipped anyone. Been on a couple investigative committees and judicial committees. I'd be out of pocket to speak on getting reinstated. One thing I can say though is, some elder bodies are very observant when it comes to things the average publisher may take for granted. When I was still a MS, there were times I would conduct the book study when it was still done in someone's home. The book study overseer had some health problems at the time, so I conducted more than the typical assistant would. One day, the Service Overseer visited our group, and I noticed him trying to catch a glimpse of my Revelation book. He did this several times, it was really hilarious. When I got appointed, one of the first meetings I attended was a pre-meeting elder bodies have some weeks before the CO visit. One of the things they do is discuss the pool of brothers in the hall to see about recomending any of them for MS or Elders. One of the main questions considered in these meetings is how prepared they and their families are at meetings. Its common to hear an elder state, "his book is hardly ever studied. Neither is his watchtower." "I noticed his wife rarely ever comments." "He's quite unreliable as a reader, and thats probably due to his lack of preperation as his book is never studied." They really do pay attention to that.
Another thing, reinstated ones and reproved ones can always go out in service. Always, maybe with the exception of their offense being public knowledge. If their offense was something the average joe wouldn't know about, they can go out in service. I will admit, several months post reinstatement seems a tad bit long to withhold commenting privileges.
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Notes from my Judicial Committee (I was DF'ed at the end)
by notverylikely inthese are the details of my disfellowshipping.
the names and locations have been changed to protect the innocent and the guilty.
my errors are not hidden in an attempt to make me look better, this simply is a presentation of the facts that led up to the disfellowshipping and a re-telling of the contents of the meeting.. .
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miseryloveselders
Well put Mary, well put. Also worth mentioning, NVL said from the outset and resaid it several times that his actions were wrong and he wasn't making excuses for it.