i was asked in a previous topic whether i thought the bible had continuity in its thought/teaching from start to finish, from old to new testament.
you can argue from specific passages taken apart and out of context that the bible contradicts itself, but, all in all, there is one message-that of love, a father's love.
the bible is the story of a father who creates a family (beginning with adam and eve), but they break their bond with him.
Psacremento
Thanks for the answers.
I hope you wont take this as rude. But your answers were very yes or no. Was their not a shadow of maybe in your answers. I would very an elaberation to your answers as maybe i will learn from your more detailed comments.
Acolytes
i was asked in a previous topic whether i thought the bible had continuity in its thought/teaching from start to finish, from old to new testament.
you can argue from specific passages taken apart and out of context that the bible contradicts itself, but, all in all, there is one message-that of love, a father's love.
the bible is the story of a father who creates a family (beginning with adam and eve), but they break their bond with him.
Psacramento
Thanks for the answer.
Do you think we were created by the lord god of the o/t.?
Do you think this god as outlined in my above post, fits a homisidal,lying maniac who has limited knowledge and no love or respect for humun life?
Is it possible the worship of our creator is the worship of satan?
Could Jesus be the serpent in Genesis?
Is the God who created the earth the same God who created man?
When someone is 1oo% right they are fernatic, 75% right wise, 5o% right no thermal and 0% right fernatic. As a J/W i have learnt it was close to 0% right. Now iam no so sure on anything but I like finding the questions as oppossed to finding answers.
Acolytes
i was asked in a previous topic whether i thought the bible had continuity in its thought/teaching from start to finish, from old to new testament.
you can argue from specific passages taken apart and out of context that the bible contradicts itself, but, all in all, there is one message-that of love, a father's love.
the bible is the story of a father who creates a family (beginning with adam and eve), but they break their bond with him.
PSACREMETO
Their are many scriptures in the old testament that proove Jehover God is not all knowing(Google for a full comprehensive list)," and the lord god said,it is not good man should be alone, I will make a help mate for him (A suitable mate, and every ........................................to beast of the field, but for Adam there was not found a help mate for him"
Also this God who created Adam has provern to be a killer and murderer, and has had his servents kill and murder. Compare that with "thou shall not murder"
Isiah 13v15 "Every one that is found shall be thrust through,and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword, their CHILDREN shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes, their houses shall be spoiled and their WIFES rapped"
Now if Jesus was a reflection of God how do you reconsile the above scripture. The witnesses see the Jesus of the bible the way of the Jehover God of the o/T and they cant wait for armegeddon when you and I will be put to death by Jesus.
How many men,women and children did the lord god destroy in the O/T, How many rapings, and puunishing the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.?
why has this lord God kings22.19-23 made himself a LYING SPIRIT in the mouth of all his prophets.? (I thought it was impossible for God to lie)
Can you understand why sincere honest hearted people question the worship of such a GOD? I think this is particularly true of the Jehovers Witnesses who have had enough of the Watchtower o/t god.
When i read geneside,and slaughter I refuse to condone it.
Acolytes
i was asked in a previous topic whether i thought the bible had continuity in its thought/teaching from start to finish, from old to new testament.
you can argue from specific passages taken apart and out of context that the bible contradicts itself, but, all in all, there is one message-that of love, a father's love.
the bible is the story of a father who creates a family (beginning with adam and eve), but they break their bond with him.
Hi Tyu...Thankyou for your responce.
You said "I dont comprehend it at all. How can we as finite creatures comprehend the mysteries of the infinate?But that shouldnt stop as sriving to lrarn and understand all we can"
Well in fairness the topic of your post is. Continuity of the bible-start to finnish.
So whilst you kindly responded to my post, you faied to answer my questions with the biblical scripture to support your beliefs as I requested.
The bible offers no scripture support to suggest Adam was created perfect. It says Adam was created in gods image.Notice after eating the fruit the bible says Adam was now likeness.
Would you rather be created in gods image or likeness?
Adam certainly wasnt created physically perfect, because he was created in a dying state. Otherwise why would he need to eat from the tree of life to live forever.
If we take the account in the literal way he reads, Adam was given a choice with a consequence, and he exersised the right to that choice and consequence.
The origional word for knowledge means door, and Adam chose to enter the door of being in the likeness of god (The explanation as to why he did this is not given) we can speculate that he loved Eve so much that he wanted to support her in what she did for numerouse reasons.We can speculate that the serpent was Jesus, who told the truth. We can speculate with good reason that the Lord God in the creation account was satan.This can be supported by many scriptues in the bible , for example Isiah. 45v7 Jehovah God says"I form the light and create darkness. I make peace and create evil. I the lord (Jehovah do all these things) compare this with Acts 26v18"To open their eyes and to turn them from darkness to the light,and from the power of satan to god"
So if we read the creation account we find there is God, The Lord., and The Lord God . Do you assume these are all the same God?
Why did Jesus speak so highly of the serpent to his disciples? Even instucting them to be as cautiose as a serpent?
Did Adam and Eve die on the day they eat of the fruit or were their eyes opend and they became in Gods likeness as the serpent said .
If we inherited sin through Adam, who created the genetics that allowed sin to pass on to us through Adam?
If we are looking for continuity of the bible from -start to Finish, and are not lazy, but eager to learn,strive and understand we need to challenge beliefs that were ingraind in us without biblical support. We need to search and study independantly or certainly without a organisation that demands we accept all they teach.
I think a good starting point from leaving the witnesses is to try and forget everything they taught. To start with a clean page so to speak. And to then find as many questions on a subject as possible. The answers can come later.
Regards/Acolytes
was there a person, a book, a situation that helped you see that the "truth" was not what it was supposed to be?
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You were a little to blame Minimus.
i was asked in a previous topic whether i thought the bible had continuity in its thought/teaching from start to finish, from old to new testament.
you can argue from specific passages taken apart and out of context that the bible contradicts itself, but, all in all, there is one message-that of love, a father's love.
the bible is the story of a father who creates a family (beginning with adam and eve), but they break their bond with him.
tyu
So according to scripture you now say everything God created was good .. But good is not perfect...... Do we agree?( )
So was Adam created according to scripture good or perfect?( )
You say what ever was going on in that garden must have been more intence than we give credit.
Then isnt it absurd to assume we can now totally comprehend it? YES OR NO ( )
Do you assume to comprehend ?
Acolytes
i was asked in a previous topic whether i thought the bible had continuity in its thought/teaching from start to finish, from old to new testament.
you can argue from specific passages taken apart and out of context that the bible contradicts itself, but, all in all, there is one message-that of love, a father's love.
the bible is the story of a father who creates a family (beginning with adam and eve), but they break their bond with him.
P ACREMENTO
If I rang Jehovers Witnesses Bethel they would have said what you wrote in your last post.
Acolytes
funeral pickets to be met by 'angels'startclickprintexcludeendclickprintexcludehttp://www.cnn.com/2011/us/01/11/arizona.funeral.westboro/index.html by the cnn wire staff
january 11, 2011 9:04 a.m. esttucson, arizona (cnn) -- tucson just isn't that kind of town, says christin gilmer.. gilmer is referring to the actions of westboro baptist church of topeka, kansas, which has made its name protesting the funerals of people who died of aids, gay people, soldiers and even coretta scott king.. but when the church announced its intention to picket the funeral of a 9-year-old girl -- one of six people who died saturday during the attempted assassination of u.s. rep. gabrielle giffords -- gilmer and others put their feet down.. tucson is a "caring, loving, peaceful community," according to gilmer, who said two of the six people killed were friends.. "for something like this to happen in tucson was a really big shock to us all," she said.
"our nightmare happened when we saw westboro baptist church was going to picket the funerals.
A small example of free-speach
If we had free-speach on this board then the moderators are not needed.
Would this discussion board exist with free speach?
Does this site need the moderators?
Sadly what is acceptable free-speach is dictated by history and the powes that be. And those that refute it may have a point.
The watchtower has free-speach....up to a point. to go beyound that point is disfellowshipping.
On a personal level Iam so glad free-speach has changed my thinking on sexuality. I was bought up that homosexuality this was wrong. Now i have a 5 year old kid and my love is unconditional. My thinking was changed by the courageouse people who stood up for themselfs against predudise and ridicule.
Acolytes
i was asked in a previous topic whether i thought the bible had continuity in its thought/teaching from start to finish, from old to new testament.
you can argue from specific passages taken apart and out of context that the bible contradicts itself, but, all in all, there is one message-that of love, a father's love.
the bible is the story of a father who creates a family (beginning with adam and eve), but they break their bond with him.
tyu
Where does it say in the bible that Adam and Eve were created in perfection? show me the scripture ( )
As their is no scripture to support Adam and Eve were created perfect, I suspect you will use freewill as an explanation?
Adam being created with freewill and failing his first test refutes your statement that Adam and Eve were created with perfect reasoning. If Adam and Eve had perfect reasonning, then how could they miss-use the gift of freewill,by making a wrong decision.
If Adam was created perfect it would be impossible for Adam to become imperfect.
Where did you learn that Adam was created perfect? Was it a biblical explanation that was was used to support this belief? if so what biblical explanation?
I think that the bible says in the begginning God created the light out of the darkness. I think the darkness is the false thinking of people. It doesnt exist. For example Jehovers Witnesses taugh for many years that the CREATOR PROMISED he would destroy everyone who was not a Jehovers Witness before the 1914 generation passed away. This is no longer taught has time has made either the CREATOR or the WATCHTOWER a liar.
In a similar way you allurd to Adam and the apple how many witnesses were to lazy or cowdley to refute the above lie.
Most posters on this board have shown that they are people neither lazy or cowdley and have stood up to what they believe the watchtower lie. Some then find the bible a lie. Others remain convinced its Gods word. Some loose faith in God and some come to have a stronger more personal relationship with God. But its not about a future life or things that happend in the past. Its about NOW. Now is the only time we have,and dont let the watchtower steal NOW from you.
Acolytes
Acolytes
from sweden.. i took a beer in a swedish pub with mike estes.. so who is mike estes?.
a former guitarist with my favourite band lynyrd skynyrd.. he was touring with his new band.
i was amazed an ex-skynyrd guitarist could play to an empty house.. am i living in the past or do skynyrd still rock..
Thanks for that undercover.
