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  A Somewhat Surprising Letter

  by JanH in

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  commentary press.

  box 43532. atlanta, ga 30336-0532.

  770/949-4947; fax 770/949-5601; e,mail: [email protected].

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  Ven,

  Nope, haven't emailed them about it. It is sent on CP letterhead in a CP envelope, poststamped in Atlanta, GA. If somebody faked this, they went to great lengths to do so.

  An interesting question is how my real postal address was obtained for this letter. I have exchanged some letters with Ray personally in the past, but then I lived at another place. Also, the "it has been brought to our attention" statement indicates someone has incited CP to write me this letter.

  For some reason, few things pisses me off quite like legal threats.

  I do assume that word of this reaches Ray sooner or later.

  - Jan
  --
  Faith, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel. [Ambrose Bierce, The Devil´s Dictionary, 1911]
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  A Somewhat Surprising Letter

  by JanH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  commentary press.

  box 43532. atlanta, ga 30336-0532.

  770/949-4947; fax 770/949-5601; e,mail: [email protected].

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  UO,

  The whole site had been discontinued almost half a year before this letter was written!

  Of course, I did secure permission from Ray Franz personally to publish the chapter about 1975 from CoC on my web site, as AlanF can attest to. The web page told all this, and also included links to buy the whole book.

  Ros' Beacon site had the blood chapter from ISoCF. I linked to it.

  Interestingly, I have only ever been accused of copyright violation by one other corporation: The Watchtower Society.

  Who the heck is "C. M. Badame"?

  - Jan
  --
  Faith, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel. [Ambrose Bierce, The Devil´s Dictionary, 1911]
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  A Somewhat Surprising Letter

  by JanH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  commentary press.

  box 43532. atlanta, ga 30336-0532.

  770/949-4947; fax 770/949-5601; e,mail: [email protected].

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  JanH

  Commentary Press
  P.O. Box 43532
  Atlanta, GA 30336-0532
  770/949-4947; Fax 770/949-5601; e,mail: [email protected]

  June 7, 2001

  Jan Steinar Haugland
  C. Sundtsgt. 56
  N-5004 BERGEN
  Norway

  Dear Sir:
  It has been brought to our attention that your web site contains material copied from some of the Commentary Press publications.
  We believe you should be aware of the fact that all these publications are copyrighted. It is illegal to publish material, electronically or by any other means, from them without first obtaining permission. We have not granted such permission. Your publishing of the material is therefore in violation of international copyright laws.
  We hereby call upon you to remove all such material from your web site. Failure to do so will oblige us to take other steps to prevent this illegal use of our copyrighted material.

  Respectfully,
  (sign.)
  C. M. Badame
  for Commentary Press

  - Jan
  --
  Faith, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel. [Ambrose Bierce, The Devil´s Dictionary, 1911]
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  Rules To Live By- George Carlin

  by riz in

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  hey everyone,.

  i know there are some fellow george carlin fans in the crowd.

  rules to live by:.

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  JanH

  this is why i rarely ever eat bananas in public!

  
  Mony,

  What's the fun of doing it in private?

  - Jan
  --
  Faith, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel. [Ambrose Bierce, The Devil´s Dictionary, 1911]
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  Rules To Live By- George Carlin

  by riz in

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  hey everyone,.

  i know there are some fellow george carlin fans in the crowd.

  rules to live by:.

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  Thanks, Riz.

  George is brilliantly evil. One can just imagine the lamenting from the pc freaks here if he came on this board. LOL.

  I've DLed 400Mb of MP3s with George Carlin. I have hardly laughed so hard as when I first heard him.

  -"it doesn't take a lot of imagination to piss off a feminist. Just walk into MS magazine headquarters and
  ask "which one of you cupcakes wants to come home with me, make me a cake and give me a blowjob?"

  -"speaking of blowjobs, are you EVER able to watch a woman eat a banana, and NOT think about a blowjob?"

  - Jan
  --
  Faith, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel. [Ambrose Bierce, The Devil´s Dictionary, 1911]
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  Re: YES I DO

  by ladonna in

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  i win......yes i do .

  love,.

  hugs.

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  JanH

  So, Ana, when's the happy occasion?

  - Jan
  --
  Faith, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel. [Ambrose Bierce, The Devil´s Dictionary, 1911]
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  Are you a hypocrite?

  by Julie in

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  in light of the recent discussions on the death penalty in america i got to thinking.

  i wonder about the commandment thou shalt not kill.

  don't all christians subscribe to this?

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  Bedrr,

  Julie, it is equally hypocritical to say abortion is acceptable but the death penalty is not.

  
  False.

  When fundamentalists use this "argument", they mix up their own perception of reality with their opponents. It is simply a logical short-circuit, and it is appaling to see this non-argument used so often by fundamentalists.

  Those who are pro-choice simply do not agree that a first trimester fetus is a human being. To say that the fetus is "innocent" is as absurd as saying the same thing about a tumor, and it is factually wrong to call this lump of cells a "baby". This is a distortion that only serves to score emotional points instead of dealing with the issues.

  Those who believe in the absolute sanctity of human life will have to be opponents of capital punishment, and they will -- to be consistent -- also have to be pacifists. They do not, however, have to be opponents of abortion rights, since a first trimester fetus falls outside the definition they may use for "human life".

  All those who are not absolute pacifists will agree that there are situations where one can justify the taking of a human life. The difference is what people will consider an adequate reason for the taking of human life.

  Some, but reasonably few, opponents of the death penalty falls into the pacifist category.

  Most who opposte the death penalty do so because they argue it does not deter crime; it is an expression of the mindset that leads to violent crime in the first place; and most importantly: given the errancy of the judicial system any country with capital punishment will invariably sooner or later kill an innocent person, and this is a state crime that can never be rectified.

  - Jan
  --
  Faith, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel. [Ambrose Bierce, The Devil´s Dictionary, 1911]
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  A Historical Jesus?

  by uncle_onion in

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  i have been reading a book called the jesus mysteries and it puts forward an idea that jesus never existed but was born out of the ideas of gnostism.

  there are many similarities between ancient religions and christianity, which is very worrying for me.

  i have not had a lot of time of late to read up on it properly but here are the conclusions that i have come to so far.. did christ exist?

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  UO,

  There was a documentary on BBC1 that said the christian jews were visiting the sites mentioned in the Bible for some centuries after Christs Death?

  I see. Well, that would not have been unlikely to be true. But there is no information about this happening in the early years when anyone alive would have any personal knowledge about Jesus the man.

  It is notable that Paul makes no mention of any holy places, and obviously had no interest in visiting them if he at all knew about such things.

  - Jan
  --
  Faith, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel. [Ambrose Bierce, The Devil´s Dictionary, 1911]
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  Another Dangerous Religion

  by Scorpion in

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  another dangerous religion to watch out for.. australian based.. to the women on this forum, if you want to be enraged, read how women should act and submit if you chose to join.. > http://www.littlepromisedland.com/

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  Yeah, Kent, I noticed the very WT-like brochure on the site. Except the guy with the beard, of course. Those people take the "patriarch" image very seriously!

  Why does this remind me of the Amish? Like Weird Al Yankovich put it in his "Amish Paradise" song (Prince reference): "Tonight we're gonna party like it's 1699!"

  - Jan
  --
  Faith, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel. [Ambrose Bierce, The Devil´s Dictionary, 1911]
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  A Historical Jesus?

  by uncle_onion in

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  i have been reading a book called the jesus mysteries and it puts forward an idea that jesus never existed but was born out of the ideas of gnostism.

  there are many similarities between ancient religions and christianity, which is very worrying for me.

  i have not had a lot of time of late to read up on it properly but here are the conclusions that i have come to so far.. did christ exist?

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  JanH

  Uncle Onion,
  It is true that most, also most scholars, assume that Jesus existed. I also think the balance of evidence suggests that it's slightly more likely a religious leader "Jesus" existed than that the Christ legend is built entirely on fiction.

  However, it remains a fact that the records to Jesus are somewhere between extremely sparse and non-existent. Essentially, all we have beyond the much later gospels are Josephus, and the more I see it, the more convinced I am that all mention of Jesus, not only the obvious parts, are spurious.
  

  The Jews had access to the records and did not dispute the genealogical lists for Jesus in Matthew and Luke. Surely an enemy of Christianity would have an easy target here?

  
  1. These genealogy lists are self-refuting, as they are self-contradictory.

  2. Nothing suggests these gospels even existed until after Jerusalem (and all available records) were destroyed in 70AD.

  3. We simply don't know what arguments Jewish opponents used against the Christians. Christianity was an obscure sect until well into the 2nd century, and then all who had ever met Jesus (if he existed) were long dead.

  4. It is easy to overestimate the quality of religious debate in the 1st century.
  

  2. Jews were still visiting the “holy land” for centuries after Christ’s death. Why if the Jesus story had no substance?

  
  I don't really understand what you mean here. Please explain. Which Jews?

  Surely, in pre-technological society, with no reliable records of events and short lifespans, legends could develop from nothing and be considered fact in a few decades.
  

  3. How can one man have made such an impact on peoples lives,if he was a figment of some ones imagination?

  
  The Jesus story had not much impact on many people until long after all who had been alive in Palestine in the 30s AD were dead. All they had to base the beliefs on are the social community of believers and their books. Whether Jesus had existed is pretty irrelevant to the impact these ideas had on people in subsequent centuries, and it was only then these beliefs impacted the lives of so many.

  - Jan
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  Faith, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel. [Ambrose Bierce, The Devil´s Dictionary, 1911]