From Chaucer. I love the guy.
Jankyn
okay fess up: whats your handle mean?.
my handle: mindchild comes from computer scientist and futurist dr. hans moravec: who wrote the book, the future of robot and human intelligence which is a book about when we will be able to construct machines capable of human intelligence and raises the possibility of uploading ourselves (every thought we ever had) into an android body much superior to the human ones we have now.
i entertain the hope that not only will i live long enough to see this happen, i will transfer myself (the complete essence of what is me) into a body of my own choosing and become immortal if i so choose.
From Chaucer. I love the guy.
Jankyn
on the way home from a function last night, an old song from the 80's came on the radio.....flashback time.. dad: you can not listen to that song!.
sister: why not dad?.
dad: because it is like the society says!
Well, this dates me, but in my KH it was bad news to be into the Osmond Brothers and the Partridge Family, because it was "idol worship" (you know, putting up their posters and buying 16 magazine). Talk about making even the teeny-bopper years dull, boring and glum.
Jankyn, humming "I Think I Love You" to herself
does anyone know when the practice of disfellowshipping by the jws started?
i doubt that it was done from the very beginning.
i was asked that question this morning and it is not something i have ever thought about before.. target
Hi, Essie!
Yeah, it's really me...We moved to CA (new job for my sweetie) and it took me awhile to find this board...but I'm back.
Jankyn
does anyone know when the practice of disfellowshipping by the jws started?
i doubt that it was done from the very beginning.
i was asked that question this morning and it is not something i have ever thought about before.. target
This is a vague memory from my teenage years (early to mid 70s), but I seem to recall that the term "disassociated" was used to refer to unbaptized people who had once been publishers and had left. They weren't quite as bad as the df'd, but close...you could talk to them, but were required to be smug and superior!
Jankyn
WWJD--
i have a question that puzzles me and would like to receive some ideas.
i used to be a witness for two years before fading away, leaving quietly.
i was not disfellowshipped and i did not write a letter of dissasociation.. the way i got babtised was such that noone from my congragation saw it since the babtisees were taken by buses from the convention to a private swimming pool.
I have a friend who tried to have her baptism "annulled," as she was only 12 at the time, and under pressure from her parents. She was 19 when she left the Borg, and when they eventually went to df her, she claimed that her baptism was invalid as it was under duress and she didn't understand what she was agreeing to.
However, the elders were having none of that--wanted to make an example of her. She was df'd anyway.
I wonder if she'd have had a legal case--clearly she was under the age of consent at the time of the baptism.
Jankyn
perhaps some here would like to expound on why it is ok for witness kids to watch the classic film "wizard of oz" but harry potter is out?.
aren't the two the same thing?
a fantasy about another realm?
Actually, when I was a kid, there were a lot of folks in the hall who refused to watch The Wizard of Oz, and who were of course quick to criticize those who did watch it.
It's the inconsistency in the Borg, and the constant striving for a "more theocratic than thou" position. The magazines will say, "Some movies and television programs promote the occult, and mature Christians will avoid them." Nice and vague. Then the wannbe theocrats in the congregation will start deciding what is and is not allowed.
Back in the day, the know-nothings in my congregation insisted it was wrong to watch "Bewitched" and "I Dream of Jeannie." (Of course, those were the same people who were too theocratic to own a television, but showed up at our house to watch whenever something interesting was on).
I'm sure they're saying the same thing about "The X-Files" now. And of course, since the Society will never actually NAME what programs/movies they want the flock to avoid (because they really and truly want the sheep to avoid ANYTHING that might stimulate their little gray brain cells), everybody gets to be confused and judgemental. Oh, yeah, and guilty...
What a trip. Glad it's no longer mine.
Jankyn
as the unfortunate school-age children of jws worldwide, or at least in christendom, face up to two of what must certainly be the most dreaded days of the school year -- today and monday, i don't think it would be remiss to do pay them tribute -- the honor of a brief recognition of some sort, say by the raising of a glass, a prayer, a couple moments' reflection, whatever.. i refer to all those of the trembling knees, quivering lips, moistened eyes and hollow feelings in the pits of their little tummies as they loyally face up to the humiliation of standing aside from the masses of christmas celebrants among their school friends.
how they must agonize over dealing with the incessant questions of their mates about ``what are you going to do this christmas," ``what did santa bring you?
'' -- not to mention listening to the spirited banter of their school friends recounting how much fun they had and what they found under tree christmas morning, etc.
I remember sitting in the hall when I was in first grade while my class practiced for the Xmas concert. Every afternoon for two weeks! I think I was nine or ten before I figured out that "Hark!" wasn't the name of a hairy angel.
Jankyn
Salman Rushdie
my mother called tuesday night.
as many of you know, i have chosen to stop communication with my family as of the beginning of this year.. my mother has called 4 or 5 times to talk, but i have not called her, my father or my brother or anyone in his family.
all of them are witnesses of varying degrees.. i tend to go into a deep depression each time my mother calls.
Like many of the posters, I recognize the scenario. I've also had to limit my contact with my mother for the same sort of reasons.
The really sad thing is that, even when I do spend time with her, I find myself so emotionally distanced from her that I wonder why I bother.
Wishin you the best,
Jankyn
i have a vivid memory of 1975 even though i was only 6 years old.
i remember the whispers and the fervor surrounding the year.
i even had an uncle who marked his calendar every day with big red xs proclaiming that he couldn't wait for "this evil system of things to end.".
Like an earlier poster, I was a fifteen-year-old high school sophomore, and under a great deal of pressure to be baptized before the end came. Fortunately, I resisted, making me the only one of my generation who's NOT disfellowshipped. Smartest thing I ever did.
I remember well the wind-up to the fall of 1975...it had me a bit unnerved, since I was already convinced I was so bad I'd never make it through Armageddon. However, by February of 1976, I had my driver's license...and promptly eased my way out of the organization by joining the basketball team and the drama club (such a little rebel!).
I do recall one family that sold their home and went "where the need was greater" because they wouldn't need the house after 1975. What a waste!
Jankyn, de-cloaking