having read last weeks wt, i was a little stunned to say the least at the number of bible students in 1914. all this time, i had assumed there was probably in the region of a few hundred thousand worldwide at that time, particularly as they had been about since the 1870's.
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was anyone else stunned to discover there was only about '5100' in 1914. te.
Having read last weeks WT, I was a little stunned to say the least at the number of bible students in 1914. All this time, I had assumed there was probably in the region of a few hundred thousand worldwide at that time, particularly as they had been about since the 1870's.
Was anyone else stunned to discover there was only about '5100' in 1914
TE
just sent this to a friend.
thought i would post it here as well, for any of you who have never seen this, or who may need it in the future when talking to friends and family still in.. sincerely,.
lady liberty.
Chalam,
After Jesus ressurection certain ones would be chosen / sealed by God to go to heaven (144000 faithful servants-Rev 7:4). The majority of these ones are a sleep in death at the present time until the marriage of the lamb-soon to take place.
1 Thes 4:13-18- Moreover, brothers, we do not want YOU to be ignorant concerning those who are sleeping [in death]; that YOU may not sorrow just as the rest also do who have no hope. 14 For if our faith is that Jesus died and rose again, so, too, those who have fallen asleep [in death] through Jesus God will bring with him. 15 For this is what we tell YOU by Jehovah’s word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord shall in no way precede those who have fallen asleep [in death]; 16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. 17 Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord. 18 Consequently keep comforting one another with these words.
The choosing of these ones has been ongoing down through the centuries from the millions of other Christians during that time right up to the present.
These tried and tested ones will serve as kings and priests alongside Christ over/on/upon the earth. Rev 5:10 -"You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth."
They are the ones who go to heaven to be with Christ for such a purpose.
Please Note Jesus own words at Mat 5:5. Even Jesus pointed out that certain ones would inherit the earth.
That is why Jesus correctly said the following in his sermon on the mount, when speaking about those who will be going to heaven and those who would reside on earth. Though not fully grasped at the time, It is only through spiritual insight that people could fully understand the meaning of his speech. Instead of it being contadictory, it makes absolute sense in light of the inspired writings that had come about since then.
| 1Now when he saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, 2 and he began to teach them saying: 11 "Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. TE |
just sent this to a friend.
thought i would post it here as well, for any of you who have never seen this, or who may need it in the future when talking to friends and family still in.. sincerely,.
lady liberty.
Jesus is mediator to all Chritians, whether of the anointed or not. 1 Tim 2:5,6
That is why we can approach Jehovah in prayer THROUGH Jesus due to his sacrifice....all part of the New Covenant.
The New Covenant also paved the way for selected ones (chosen ones) to rule with Christ in the coming Kongdom.
TE
it is here in writing the new generation change.
on page 5 of the of the wt while talking about the annual meeting report.. "john barr gave the third and final talk.".
"john barr made clear that the gathering wound not continue indefinitely.
Orangefatcat
it has been awhile since being in the forum, first of let me say I am disappointed in the language being used in this thread, has Simon lowered his policy on language vulgarity? Just wondering.
Amen to that.
When I see someones post with a expletives, I just skip thode posts. Gods standards dont change. I find it sad that some who were once (perhaps still are) JW'S or those who once had a deep love for Gods word have to resort to using expletives.
I am glad that it has been pointed out which magazine, the 'new light' about this generation is discussed as someone originally said it was the April issue? At least I can go back to the wife and show her this time.
Also, I just dicovered though freeminds that Russell wasnt the first president of the WT society. Now that was a revelation. Apparantly it was William Henry Conley.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Henry_Conley
Sorry for going of on a tangent a bit.
TE
the jw's teach about the hope we have for living on a paradise earth.
is that what jesus taught when he came to the earth ?
the last time i checked he was referring to heaven, not earth.
Sorry, my cutting and pasting skills are on the decline
1Now when he saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, 2 and he began to teach them saying:
3 "Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called sons of God.
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 "Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
TE
the jw's teach about the hope we have for living on a paradise earth.
is that what jesus taught when he came to the earth ?
the last time i checked he was referring to heaven, not earth.
After Jesus ressurection certain ones would be chosen / sealed by God to go to heaven (144000 faithful servants-Rev 7:4). The majority of these ones are a sleep in death at the present time until the marriage of the lamb-soon to take place.
1 Thes 4:13-18- Moreover, brothers, we do not want YOU to be ignorant concerning those who are sleeping [in death]; that YOU may not sorrow just as the rest also do who have no hope. 14 For if our faith is that Jesus died and rose again, so, too, those who have fallen asleep [in death] through Jesus God will bring with him. 15 For this is what we tell YOU by Jehovah’s word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord shall in no way precede those who have fallen asleep [in death]; 16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. 17 Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord. 18 Consequently keep comforting one another with these words.
The choosing of these ones has been ongoing down through the centuries from the millions of other Christians during that time right up to the present. That is why Jesus could say to his disciples luke 16:16.
These tried and tested faithful ones will rule as Kings and priests over the earth Rev 5:10
They are the ones who go to heaven to be with Christ for such a purpose.
The earth will one day be filled with meek people. Matt 5:5
That is why Jesus correctly said the following in his sermon on the mount, when speaking about those who will be going to heaven and those who would reside on earth. Though not fully grasped at the time, It is only through spiritual insight that people could fully understand the meaning of his speech. Instead of it being contadictory, it makes absolute sense in light of the inspired writings that had come about since then.
Matt 5:1
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“Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the kingdom of the heavens belongs to them.4
“Happy are those who mourn, since they will be comforted.5
“Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.6
“Happy are those hungering and thirsting for righteousness, since they will be filled.7
“Happy are the merciful, since they will be shown mercy.8
“Happy are the pure in heart, since they will see God.9
“Happy are the peaceable, since they will be called ‘sons of God.’10
“Happy are those who have been persecuted for righteousness’ sake, since the kingdom of the heavens belongs to them.11
“Happy are YOU when people reproach YOU and persecute YOU and lyingly say every sort of wicked thing against YOU for my sake. 12 Rejoice and leap for joy, since YOUR reward is great in the heavens; for in that way they persecuted the prophets prior to YOU.When he saw the crowds he went up into the mountain; and after he sat down his disciples came to him; 2 and he opened his mouth and began teaching them, saying:TE
in his fathers eyes he was already a ruling king.
17"as it is written: "i have made you a father of many nations.
god exalted him to the highest place.
Hi Wannabe,
I will print off (tomorrow) what you have written and will have a proper read. It certainly looks like a very interesting and informative read.
TE
frankly, i am a little bit confused by this teaching.
well when i read 1 thes 4:13-18, it contradicts what the society claim.. paul wrote -.
moreover, brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant concerning those who are sleeping [in death]; that you may not sorrow just as the rest also do who have no hope.
It's not possible any are in heaven at this time, due to the fact that the final sealing of the heavenly calling isn't completed as yet. Read Revelation 7:1-4 where it tells us four Angels are holding back the four winds of destruction until the final sealing of the heavenly calling is completed. Those four Angels are still holding tight those four winds. All of the heavenly calling had to be all together at the same time. None would begin to reign as king priests unless they were all together at the same time.
You are correct Wannabe,
It simply doesnt make sense that most of the anointed are now in heaven, especially, as you have rightly pointed out - before the final sealing has been completed!
It would seem incredible (as the society claim) that most of the anointed are already in heaven alongside Christ, before the marriage of the lamb?
TE
jw's say that all the anointed are members of, or make up, the faith and discreet slave ("fds").
and they say that from among them a little group form the governing body.
can you help out here in a bit of understanding?
Also worth a read is this essay about the 'three parables with one meaning'.
jw's say that all the anointed are members of, or make up, the faith and discreet slave ("fds").
and they say that from among them a little group form the governing body.
can you help out here in a bit of understanding?
Hi Inkie,
This is an extract of an article from the following link
http://perimeno.ca/God's_Organization.htm
[Many within God's organization are convinced that we need a governing body to organize the preaching work and to provide us with all the many publications, our spiritual food "at the proper time." It is Jehovah's arrangement they feel. But as has already been mentioned, there was no governing body in the first century, neither was there any need for one. The holy spirit, which Jesus had promised as a helper, was very active at that time. (John 14:26) It served as a teacher and helper, enabling the disciples to remember and understand the things they were learning, even the deeper things of God. (1 Cor. 2:10-13) It directed the preaching work, even assigning certain ones their territory. (Acts 13:2-4; 16:6;0) It appointed elders, and also gave the members in the congregations different gifts, so that no one was expected to do the same, or as much, as anyone else; nor was anyone's work compared to someone else's work, thus avoiding any rivalry or reason for boasting. Everyone did just as the spirit enabled them to do. And since a fruitage of the spirit is joy, the brothers experienced much joy in worshiping Jehovah. In fact, the Scriptures have much to say about the joy of all the disciples. Together the congregations functioned as one body, under the same head, Christ Jesus. — 1 Cor. 12:12-18.]
It is well worth a read as it will help you put the whole concept of the GB/FDS into perspective.
TE
