Posts by GLTirebiter

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Supreme Court Rules in Favor of Baker Who Refused to Bake Cake for Gay Couple

by Simon in

seems like such an obviously correct decision to overturn the previous overreach - it should never have been necessary to go to the supreme court but happened because the rights of the religious were being ignored.. as the fundamental level, no one should be able to compel you to work for them or to provide services that go against your beliefs, and certainly not have the government be able to force you to comply.. if this was allowed there would be so many unreconcilable situations that would clog up courts over nonsense.. i also have little patience for these activists that intentionally look to be offended.

it really doesn't do their cause any good to go round looking to make trouble for people.

it's also misguided because it ends up strengthening religious rights over effectively stupid issues.. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/04/us/politics/supreme-court-sides-with-baker-who-turned-away-gay-couple.html.

GLTirebiter

Does he refuse to make Halloween cakes...

As a matter of fact, he will not make Halloween cakes. From NBC news:

"I don't create cakes for Halloween, I wouldn't create a cake that would be anti-American or disparaging against anybody for any reason, even cakes that would disparage people who identify as LGBT,” he said. "Cakes have a message and this is one I can't create."
The narrow Supreme Court ruling ruling in Phillips’ case applied to the specific facts of his case only and gave little hint as to how the court might decide future cases involving florists, bakers, photographers and other business owners who have cited religious and free-speech objections when refusing to serve gay and lesbian customers in the wake of the Supreme Court's 2015 same-sex marriage decision.

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Supreme Court Rules in Favor of Baker Who Refused to Bake Cake for Gay Couple

by Simon in

seems like such an obviously correct decision to overturn the previous overreach - it should never have been necessary to go to the supreme court but happened because the rights of the religious were being ignored.. as the fundamental level, no one should be able to compel you to work for them or to provide services that go against your beliefs, and certainly not have the government be able to force you to comply.. if this was allowed there would be so many unreconcilable situations that would clog up courts over nonsense.. i also have little patience for these activists that intentionally look to be offended.

it really doesn't do their cause any good to go round looking to make trouble for people.

it's also misguided because it ends up strengthening religious rights over effectively stupid issues.. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/04/us/politics/supreme-court-sides-with-baker-who-turned-away-gay-couple.html.

GLTirebiter

An important consideration was that the state commission made different decisions in other cases, and made statements regarding the baker's religious beliefs in their case. After the state made the original decision, some religious folks went to homosexual bakers and asked them to make a biblical theme cake decorated with scriptures declaring sodomy to be sinful. The bakers refused, the customers went to the same civil rights commission, who in this case upheld the bakers' right to not make the cake because they did not like its message. The decision may have gone the other way if the commission had consistently ruled that no business could refuse a customer request (subject to other lawful restrictions: libel, obscenity, etc.).

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Previous sect in the Watchtower lineage

by GLTirebiter in

here is an article talking about william miller's great disappointment and a utopian settlement established by one of his followers, peter armstrong.

the author's statements reveal several similarities between the millerites and their successors, the watchtower bible and tract society:.

founded in pennsylvania.

GLTirebiter

Here is an article talking about William Miller's Great Disappointment and a utopian settlement established by one of his followers, Peter Armstrong. The author's statements reveal several similarities between the Millerites and their successors, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society:

Founded in Pennsylvania
Founder William Miller "... decided to offer his own interpretation of the Bible, and while doing so, amassed a number of followers in mid-19th century United States."
"Following a period of studying the Holy Word, he concluded that the Second Coming of Christ was imminent and that it would bring with it the end of the world in the form of a battle of good versus evil. Miller’s musings were largely based on Daniel 8:14: 'Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed,' which he took as meaning the cleansing of the earth by fire."
Predictions of the End Times did not come to pass (1843-1844)
Pacifism and opposition to the draft (US Civil War)
Publication of The Day Star of Zion (note similarity to Russell's original Zion's Watch Tower) and Banner of Life
When Armstrong started his religious colony "The land itself was deeded to 'Almighty God, who inhabiteth Eternity, and His heirs in Jesus Messiah,' thus making it God’s own property" (similar to Beth Sarim and Beth Shan being deeded to the Old Testament prophets.)

Rather than being the sole true remnant of the true christian faith, WTBTS is preaching a variation on the same failed story. Adding insult to injury, the article does not even name WTBTS as successors to Miller's teachings: Seventh Day Adventists made the cut, but JW.org did not rate a mention!

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2018/05/23/celestia-pennsylvania/

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Did You Care About The Royal Wedding?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i don’t get it.

who really cares?

in the usa, it’s such a huge newsworthy event.

GLTirebiter

Given the opportunity to watch a English royal wedding, I choose to watch A Man for All Seasons instead.

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Posters You Miss

by minimus in

jw
friends

anyone that you miss from this site, dead or alive??.

i miss farkel, blondie and a host of others!.

GLTirebiter

Ziddina

Snowbird

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Grace Gough ( RIP ) left the JW cult in her 70s and went on to help 1000s to escape the cult

by Not_Culty in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj7ilnoxvu4.

she helped me.

sent me my first copy of crisis of conscience (free) grace has been featured on many talk shows, including sally jesse raphael, raising awareness of support for cult abuse survivors.

GLTirebiter

Rest in peace, Grace!

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On and off again JW girlfriend

by Crzysin in

hello everyone, i have an on and off again ex who is a jw.

each time her family gets involved and she's gone again.

i'm debating biting the bullet and doing the work to become baptized, so we can follow through with our engagement.

GLTirebiter

If you marry her, you also marry the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, Inc. Does that scenario appeal to you? If not, then do not get baptized in the name of the Society and cut off the relationship. You are doing neither her nor yourself a favor by pursuing a relationship with which you have serious reservations.

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boyfriend ex jehovah witness please help

by whatisthis12 in

so i posted yesterday.

my boyfriend and i have been living together for a year, and he went to the memorial tonight (sorry if that’s not what it’s called).

i told him i was upset he didn’t invite me but wasn’t going to tell him not to go because he hasn’t talked to his family for over a year.

GLTirebiter

You marry him and ...

learn that "the New System is so close!" mind set and dedication to "Field Service" affect every family decision: choice of employment, where you live, financial decisions (little concern for long term planning), what you do on weekends and vacation, whether and when to have children: the Watchtower teachings will touch every aspect of your lives together whether or not you join ... and you will be pressured to join. Consider carefully whether this is the life you want.

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Movie-goers can be fickle (great movies that should've enjoyed huge box-office success)

by LoveUniHateExams in

just thought i'd start a thread about this topic.. john carpenter's the thing (1982) was a great film, one of his best imo.

for me, it's right up there with alien (1979) as one of the greatest sci-fi horror films ever made.

and yet one film made anything between $100 - 200 million at the box office whereas the other made only $19 million.

GLTirebiter

The Star Wars prequel trilogy

Get rid of Jar Jar, and I'd agree.

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My JW niece is getting married ... typical JW drama

by wannabefree in

we received an invitation in the mail yesterday for my jw niece's wedding.. i am posting this just to add for any lurkers to see typical jw practices.. 1st - and perfectly understandable for anybody who is or was a jw.

i'm not invited.

:) hey, i'm really not complaining about that.

GLTirebiter

I'm not invited. ... My wife is fully in and of course is invited

You are husband and wife. It is a package deal, a married couple invited to wedding is invited as "one flesh" just as the two being married are joining themselves into one. Any wedding invitation extended to one married partner must properly include the spouse. Any claim to the contrary is not just abominable etiquette, it is an insult to your marriage.