Quandry- I think they were raising their hands in the air because they were feeling the tune so much. I think its like when you're at a concert and people start waiving lighters in the air. I think.
Iknowall....yes, I am a bit of a minx
i don't know about you, but i enjoy doing comparisons, especially with wine.
felt like during and after each.
i think the music was intensely different...i really wish i remembered about my video ability on my phone for the 1st song, because the jw's performed their first new song out of the new song book.
Quandry- I think they were raising their hands in the air because they were feeling the tune so much. I think its like when you're at a concert and people start waiving lighters in the air. I think.
Iknowall....yes, I am a bit of a minx
song 23 - "myriads and myriads of robots.".
song 46- "were the governing bodies witnesses.......our is the god of true prophecyyyy, what he fortells comes to be, sometimes.....".
song 69 - "note - due to porniea laws there is no song 69 turn the page here to song 70!!!!".
"The Way We View the World Today"
did you use wt dates as well as things found from a secular perspective?
if a witness was researching the 607 dates strictly from watchtower info, would it still become clear they are wrong?
or does the wtbs *make* the dates add up...?
hehe, I'm surprised my thread is still going. I thought everything was answered on pgs 1 & 2. I guess I thought wrong.
as some may know, my family and i no longer associate with jws - we are neither df'd nor da'd.
we last attended about 4 years ago (seems longer...) anyway, my wife has lunch occasionally with her folks - i never get invited and rarely associate with the in laws - my fil says i have destroyed his family... so tensions are somewhat high and it's quite uncomforable whenever we are in the same room - always nice/pleasant, but very shallow relationship now.. my in-laws attended the international convention in trinidad a couple of weeks ago and while having lunch with my wife last week, my mil made the comment to her that "if we had only attended one of these international conventions, we would never had stopped attending meetings... we would have seen the unity and love among the brothers... etc...".
this really irritates me... we were 38 and 39 years old when we stopped attending - both of us had been pioneers, me an elder... we were deep in the org... and my mil thinks that going to an international convention was the missing element in our spiritual lives?
I would love to tell them both how we truly feel about JWs,but it would hurt them
It would hurt the ones who keep hurting *you* with ignorant statements? I do not advocate hurting people intentionally, so I understand the sensitivity. I'm going through a very similar thing. But I hope you think about your statement & who it really hurts by keeping your life a secret.
and it would be of no benefit.
You sure about that last part? It would be of no benefit to tell them how you feel? Would it be no benefit to express who you truly are?
Best wishes
i don't know about you, but i enjoy doing comparisons, especially with wine.
felt like during and after each.
i think the music was intensely different...i really wish i remembered about my video ability on my phone for the 1st song, because the jw's performed their first new song out of the new song book.
I don't know about you, but I enjoy doing comparisons, especially with wine. So I got this brilliant idea ...I wanted to do a religious comparison today. We went to a United Methodist Church (the contemporary service), and then we went to the Kingdom Hall meeting. It was the Circuit Overseer's visit & a family member invited us. It has been years since I've been to a KH, so this seemed like it would be fun. I wanted to see what I felt like during and after each. I think the music was intensely different...I REALLY wish I remembered about my video ability on my phone for the 1st song, because the jw's performed their first new song out of the new song book. I had to try really, really hard not to laugh ....it was pretty much a trainwreck. Nobody knew what note was coming next. The children were especially funny.
I felt a little teary eyed & overwhelmed while the Methodist choir sang & the congregation sang along. Heck, I didnt even know who Hosanna was until I just now looked it up. But it was just pretty cool to watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXCoHxX1OC8
The meeting at the KH kind of reminded me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmxpftPFXZg
The song *they* sang brought another kind of tears to my eyes
Other things I noticed at the 2 worships: At the Methodist Church, the preacher had a microphone attached to his collar so he could walk around, make eye contact, and tell about some funny things going on in the world. P.S.....I was not invaded with demons when I walked through the door like the jw's will have you believe . There were just a few kids in the room & they seemed to be paying attention. People said "Welcome" and "nice to see you" as they passed us.
At the KH, we arrived just as they were singing the first song. I felt like certain people were staring, so I stared back.
2 rows from the front (we were 3 from the front), I noticed a family with two young boys who appeared to want to be anywhere but there. I kind of felt bad for them. It brought back a lot of suppressed memories. I saw the mother nudge her son & her face got blood-red just as he raised his hand to answer. He kind of stuttered at the end of his comment, then the audience chuckled (I HATED it when people did that to me...it felt like they were laughing *at* me. I didnt realize it was because I was just so darned cute ). Anyway, when that happened, the mom froze. When he passed the microphone back, the mother just looked ahead & didnt even smile or whisper "good job".
Omigosh, I almost forgot to mention : today's Watchower was on that article about people holding hands at the meeting and how it could stumble others. The comments during the lesson did not specify newlyweds who might be too affectionate, nor did folks comment about how sisters embrace each other in a group during the song. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/182223/5/November-15-Watchtower-Study-Edition-discourages-showing-affection-to-your-spouse They simply said that people should not hold hands during worship to Jehooba. I thought it was kinda funny though, since during the final prayer, I saw about 5 couples holding hands. They are so naughty! I was stumbled
Within seconds after the meeting's end, we were swarmed. 2 people who had slandered my husband's family in the past came up to say hi to him. LoL...he glanced at them and said "not today". Quite a few seemed very sincere with their "welcome backs". I was shocked though, just as we were about to walk out the door, an elder, who HAAATED me back in the day, came up and grabbed my shoulder and said "Oh my! its so good to see you! You look beautiful. Well, you have always been beautiful" . I was like "uh, okay, bye now". hehe.
Sorry for all the pictures and videos...the rest of my Sunday is pretty relaxed
it's been a few years, i had some time to spare and it was there.
not considering the actual message, here is what hit me, hard:.
the font is larger than that used by any secular publication that one would consider intellectual.. the language is so basic that it would bore the educated but would be embraced by those who were "simple" or perhaps mentally challenged.it alsowould not promote thinking as their was so little substance.. i then checked an awake and it is much the same.
Man, a jw gave me FOUR WT's and Awakes today! It happened so fast! They said, "there is just so much good information in here....Here, I'll just let you read these" I said "are you counting all those publications you just gave me" & the response was "Yep, its how the Society keeps track of how much they need to print next year"
i'm not sure if this has been posted yet, so i took the liberty of scanning a copy.
here is the figures for the 2007 service year report.
interesting that over 9,000 partook at the memorial last year when the numbers should be going down.
I was just having this discussion with a jw today. We read the scripture about how "the good news will be preached in all the inhabited earth"....I asked "what about China & other lands where people cant hear about the Witnesses?" The response was: "Well, there might be just a few who wont be able to hear the truth before armaggedon comes". Thanks to GaryBuss, who posted the 2008 annual report. Would you say China is one of those countries included at the bottom of the chart, which says : 30 other countries....18,041 publishers. Is that total????
I just found out how many people are in China. Those jw's better get to knocking on doors!
http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&met=sp_pop_totl&idim=country:CHN&q=population+in+china For those of you too lazy to look it up, there are one BILLION, three hundred twenty five MILLION, six hundred thirty-five THOUSAND, nine HUNDRED & eighty-two. Let me repeat:
1,325,635,982
Wow.
i hope this letter finds you and your loved ones both happy and well.
one day, before the summer assembly, my parents informed me that they had serious doubts.
i just wanted it to go away, and for things to be the way they used to be.
marked for later
did you use wt dates as well as things found from a secular perspective?
if a witness was researching the 607 dates strictly from watchtower info, would it still become clear they are wrong?
or does the wtbs *make* the dates add up...?
this was some really great information! Maybe I'll look into it further next year...
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
did you use wt dates as well as things found from a secular perspective?
if a witness was researching the 607 dates strictly from watchtower info, would it still become clear they are wrong?
or does the wtbs *make* the dates add up...?
Oh lordy . Well, I got what I needed out of this thread on pg 1. Ya'll have my permission to let it turn into a debate. I will read all the biased and unbiased references suggested. And to everyone who's sick of the 607/ 587 debate...sorry! All I was askin' is if anyone has had the experience of using the WT literature only to show that 607 is not correct. I wasn't saying it was or it wasn't. get it? Ok, continue...hehe