Thank you!
Guess they can't reply WITHOUT doing so!
are there pretenders in our brotherhood- as in all religion- that do what is evil?.
yes.. have we made stupid guesses about some of the prophecies, as all churches do?.
yes.. does our "organization" make mistakes- as, you guessed it, all do?.
Thank you!
Guess they can't reply WITHOUT doing so!
yes-lotta nonsense; a self-proclaimed "slave class" that is not a prophet but like a prophet, giving so awfully embarrasing opinions that are supposed to be automatically acceted by all of us jws...pretenders...mistakes... and moves not "discreet" at all- like the ngo united nations membership they secretly had for awhile....terrible, isn't it?.
i mean, look at the inspiring example we have in churchianity: such wonderful dogma- such as the three sadist-gods who have been torturing billions of men, women, and children for thousands of years- with eternity to go...and god making the universe in 72 hours...and backing the wars of their governments- "god and country!
", as they send their men out to war, telling them they will be blessed for it, and so many more wonderful revelations: the rapture, once-saved, tithing, etc.
Besides, Loser- I was speaking of the Elders at all the congregations.
The Building at NY that houses the workers, the printing presses, etc- CAN'T be a little trailer...
yes-lotta nonsense; a self-proclaimed "slave class" that is not a prophet but like a prophet, giving so awfully embarrasing opinions that are supposed to be automatically acceted by all of us jws...pretenders...mistakes... and moves not "discreet" at all- like the ngo united nations membership they secretly had for awhile....terrible, isn't it?.
i mean, look at the inspiring example we have in churchianity: such wonderful dogma- such as the three sadist-gods who have been torturing billions of men, women, and children for thousands of years- with eternity to go...and god making the universe in 72 hours...and backing the wars of their governments- "god and country!
", as they send their men out to war, telling them they will be blessed for it, and so many more wonderful revelations: the rapture, once-saved, tithing, etc.
Serene babbles: "Don't avoid responding to my comment. My assertion is that JWs indeed pay for the room and board of religious leaders. It doesn't matter if they are living in palatial homes or not. The point is COs/DOs/GB members, etc, lifestyles are funded by the contributions of the rank and file. End of story. "
Mad: It is the end of your credibility; those doing full time work at HQ DO have rommand board covered- AND even a liitle allowance! YOWZA! And travelling overseers that have spent a lifetime in the ministry- at THEIR expense, and now handle matters travelling from congregation to congregation get a VERY small fee to cover expenses and a LITTLE more- DAMNATION!
You honestly think that compares? I've BEEN in the homes of clergy; the bigger the church, the bigger the home, cars and Salary! And for WHAT? Giving brain0- dead sermons on Sunday and Wednesday????
Get REAL man!
(PS- there ARE some clergy that DON"T fit in that mold; I speak generally)
yes-lotta nonsense; a self-proclaimed "slave class" that is not a prophet but like a prophet, giving so awfully embarrasing opinions that are supposed to be automatically acceted by all of us jws...pretenders...mistakes... and moves not "discreet" at all- like the ngo united nations membership they secretly had for awhile....terrible, isn't it?.
i mean, look at the inspiring example we have in churchianity: such wonderful dogma- such as the three sadist-gods who have been torturing billions of men, women, and children for thousands of years- with eternity to go...and god making the universe in 72 hours...and backing the wars of their governments- "god and country!
", as they send their men out to war, telling them they will be blessed for it, and so many more wonderful revelations: the rapture, once-saved, tithing, etc.
BD:I go to the kingdom hall, dumby. I've told you that 100 times. I hear how wrong they are twice a week. You're defense on those scriptures is laughable. God was the only saviour...but that's not true anymore. Come on dude. And I never said there were 3 gods. There is only 1 God.
Mad: Going to the Hall...and you're promoting the Trinity???? Then yer giving "Dummy" a bad name!
Rev 7:9 After these things I saw, and behold, a great multitude, which no man could number, out of every nation and of all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, arrayed in white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 and they cry with a great voice, saying, Salvation unto our God who sitteth on the throne, and unto the Lamb.
yes-lotta nonsense; a self-proclaimed "slave class" that is not a prophet but like a prophet, giving so awfully embarrasing opinions that are supposed to be automatically acceted by all of us jws...pretenders...mistakes... and moves not "discreet" at all- like the ngo united nations membership they secretly had for awhile....terrible, isn't it?.
i mean, look at the inspiring example we have in churchianity: such wonderful dogma- such as the three sadist-gods who have been torturing billions of men, women, and children for thousands of years- with eternity to go...and god making the universe in 72 hours...and backing the wars of their governments- "god and country!
", as they send their men out to war, telling them they will be blessed for it, and so many more wonderful revelations: the rapture, once-saved, tithing, etc.
Mad:OOOO! Should I add THAT to the list? That we don't buy the homes, cars and pay for all the bills and give salary to a Clergy?
Serenity babbles:"What do you think you're doing for the CO & DO? And GB and various other upper-level WT crooks? And these are the same jackasses who tell regular folk like me to take a menial part time job so I can pioneer. Meanwhile my contributions have been paying their salary."
Mad: How about Googling non-church and JW-bashing sites- and see if you can find the mansions and wealth they have and get, idiot.
yes-lotta nonsense; a self-proclaimed "slave class" that is not a prophet but like a prophet, giving so awfully embarrasing opinions that are supposed to be automatically acceted by all of us jws...pretenders...mistakes... and moves not "discreet" at all- like the ngo united nations membership they secretly had for awhile....terrible, isn't it?.
i mean, look at the inspiring example we have in churchianity: such wonderful dogma- such as the three sadist-gods who have been torturing billions of men, women, and children for thousands of years- with eternity to go...and god making the universe in 72 hours...and backing the wars of their governments- "god and country!
", as they send their men out to war, telling them they will be blessed for it, and so many more wonderful revelations: the rapture, once-saved, tithing, etc.
Agon said: "And yet a good portion of those same people would hardly bat an eye at allowing their minor children to bleed to death on an operating table rather than accept a blood transfusion because "The Society Says So"."
Mad: And in so doing, revelaed what a Deceptive Liar he REALLY is, under his kind words. Reminds me of someone, referred to as an "Angel of Light"...
yes-lotta nonsense; a self-proclaimed "slave class" that is not a prophet but like a prophet, giving so awfully embarrasing opinions that are supposed to be automatically acceted by all of us jws...pretenders...mistakes... and moves not "discreet" at all- like the ngo united nations membership they secretly had for awhile....terrible, isn't it?.
i mean, look at the inspiring example we have in churchianity: such wonderful dogma- such as the three sadist-gods who have been torturing billions of men, women, and children for thousands of years- with eternity to go...and god making the universe in 72 hours...and backing the wars of their governments- "god and country!
", as they send their men out to war, telling them they will be blessed for it, and so many more wonderful revelations: the rapture, once-saved, tithing, etc.
BD:"So if someone had the name that had the meaning, "With us is brotherdan", would that mean that they
were just my copilot?"
Mad: Yes- unless you can possess people like in "Day of the Triffids"...
BD:" Seriously dude, you say everyone that disagrees with you has Trinity goggles on, but you don't even know what the trinity means."
Mad: SERIOUSLY, BD- haven't you heard the saying about those who ASSume? I believed it SO much, that I spent almost THREE
YEARS trying to prove it to the JWS, using every church book, tract- and anti-JW books. I KNOW what it teaches FAR better tha you,
AND can 'prove' it better than you; wnat ME to prove it?
BD:" You've said that the trinity teaches that Jesus is the father. That's not what the trinity says."
Mad:"No- I've said that is what MANY trinitarians have told ME- for how ELSE can Jesus saying "I and the Father are One" prove the
Trinity?"
BD:" It merely says that there is only 1 god. You've got that part right."
Mad: Not to brag (for there IS nothing to brag about) but I DO. Simply SAYING there's only One God- THEN teaching there's actually
THREE doesn't tell you anything????
BD:" The Father can rightly be called God, Jesus is called God, and the Holy spirit is called God in the Bible. The 3 of them occupy 1 position."
Mad: So, like 'One' President if Obama had two brothers in the White House? PLEASE, BD- give yourself a BREAK! Jesus said his Father
was the ONLY true God; does the word "only" have an opposite definition in churchese...as I claim it does? (Rhetorical)
BD:"Compare these scriptures:
Isaiah 43:11 - "I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour."
Mad; That was true in the times BEFORE He sent His son as one.
BD:"compare with:
Acts 4:12 - "Neither is there salvation in any other (than Jesus): for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."
Mad: Who GAVE that name? (Rhetorical)
BD:"Also compare these:
Isaiah 44:24 - "I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself."
Mad: He was comparing Himself to the Imaginary gods of the nations that Israel kept turning to; He had NOT revealed anything about
His son at that time.
BD:"compare with:
Col 1:16 - "By him [Jesus] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth...all things were created by him, and for him"
Mad: "BY" or "Through" him shows who was behind the power (spirit) Jesus USED to create all things.
BD:"Also compare these:
Isaiah 41:4 - "I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."
compare with:
Rev 1:17 - "Jesus said, "Fear not; I am the first and the last:"
Mad: Botyh Jehovah and Christ now share many titles; before GIVIBG Christ all authority and power, only HE had them.
BD:"Also compare these:
Psalms 71:22 - I will also praise you with the psaltery, even thy truth,O my God: unto thee will I sing with the harp, O thou Holy One of Israel.
compare with:
Acts 13:34,35 - "And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will
give you the sure mercies of David. Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption."
Mad: Both God and His son are "Holy" (Clean, pure, set apart) but NOT the same Person(s)
Are YOU now claiming they ARE?
BD: Also compare these:
Isaiah 42:8 - I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another...
compare with:
John 17:5 - And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Mad: AGAIN, read the context to se that He was referring to the IMAGINARY gods they were starting to worship- for He prophesied
that He WAS going to share His Glory with someone He would appoint- see Daniel 7 as an example. Being the Word of God and Leader
of the Angels (Archangel) was tremendous glory he gave up to become a man.
BD: BOOOYAH!
Mad: Whatever, But, at least you gave some serious 'thought' to this- and actually used SCRIPTURES this time! THANK you; it's been
a Pleasure, for a change!
What Church do YOU go to- and where did you pull this list from; we all know you didn't spend hours, going thru your Bible to find 'em!
yes-lotta nonsense; a self-proclaimed "slave class" that is not a prophet but like a prophet, giving so awfully embarrasing opinions that are supposed to be automatically acceted by all of us jws...pretenders...mistakes... and moves not "discreet" at all- like the ngo united nations membership they secretly had for awhile....terrible, isn't it?.
i mean, look at the inspiring example we have in churchianity: such wonderful dogma- such as the three sadist-gods who have been torturing billions of men, women, and children for thousands of years- with eternity to go...and god making the universe in 72 hours...and backing the wars of their governments- "god and country!
", as they send their men out to war, telling them they will be blessed for it, and so many more wonderful revelations: the rapture, once-saved, tithing, etc.
OOOO! Should I add THAT to the list? That we don't buy the homes, cars and pay for all the bills and give salary to a Clergy?
yes-lotta nonsense; a self-proclaimed "slave class" that is not a prophet but like a prophet, giving so awfully embarrasing opinions that are supposed to be automatically acceted by all of us jws...pretenders...mistakes... and moves not "discreet" at all- like the ngo united nations membership they secretly had for awhile....terrible, isn't it?.
i mean, look at the inspiring example we have in churchianity: such wonderful dogma- such as the three sadist-gods who have been torturing billions of men, women, and children for thousands of years- with eternity to go...and god making the universe in 72 hours...and backing the wars of their governments- "god and country!
", as they send their men out to war, telling them they will be blessed for it, and so many more wonderful revelations: the rapture, once-saved, tithing, etc.
"With Us is God" has the similar meaning of the old "God is my Co-Pilot", BD- Trinitarians grasp at any straw to prop up their trinity Dogma, DESPITE Jesus saying that his Father was the
ONLY
true God! (John 17:3)
yes-lotta nonsense; a self-proclaimed "slave class" that is not a prophet but like a prophet, giving so awfully embarrasing opinions that are supposed to be automatically acceted by all of us jws...pretenders...mistakes... and moves not "discreet" at all- like the ngo united nations membership they secretly had for awhile....terrible, isn't it?.
i mean, look at the inspiring example we have in churchianity: such wonderful dogma- such as the three sadist-gods who have been torturing billions of men, women, and children for thousands of years- with eternity to go...and god making the universe in 72 hours...and backing the wars of their governments- "god and country!
", as they send their men out to war, telling them they will be blessed for it, and so many more wonderful revelations: the rapture, once-saved, tithing, etc.
You know I do, BD- Itake it you have your Trinity Goggles on- and take it literal?
Jesus and John LIED, then?