Great responses I believe Phizzy, especially since as you say they generally are not (yet) ready to hear, but are at least put on notice, and know they are welcome to return when ready.
Fernando
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" Why did you leave the truth?", and, "will you come back ?"
by Phizzy inwhen in conversation with jw's those questions, or varients of them, often come up.
i have noticed though, that because of their fear of any challenge to their faith, they do not wish to hear the answers, so i have developed an answer which at least i hope accomplishes a couple of things.. what i say to the first question (why did you leave ?
) is "because i am a lover of truth", to the second,( will i come back ?
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The hardship of being a gay Jehovahs witness.
by truthwillsetyoufree inplease spare a moment to consider the difiiculties faced by gay jehovahs witnesses.
i was raised and baptised as a very serious jw.
every waking moment of my day was lived for jehovahs and his organization and for nothing else.
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Fernando
Welcome truthwillsetyoufree!
Congratulations on being free of this destructive cult and its apostate moralism and apostate legalism.
Here on JWN you're among friends who care and understand.
I pray for you to find greater peace and stability as well as a good life partner.
Anyone interested in an alternative (gay friendly) scriptural perspective may be interested in:
http://biblehouseofgrace.com/same%20sex%20relationships.html
Best wishes on your journey and your stay here on JWN.
Greetings
Fernando
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Fernando
Yup, Watchtower proselytism (promoting religion) sure gives evangelism (promoting the liberating gospel message) a bad name.
Of course "evangelicals" often do the same.
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Dilemma
by Gorbatchov ingorby and his lovely wife had during dinner a chat about watchtower hypocrisy.
she faded with me since 2007 and shows sometimes affection for the organization.. we talked about the gb and ray franz.. she asked me if she could read my ray franz books.. now i have a dilemma.
the books gave me a hard time in the '90.. i know the ray franz truth can hurt and shock her so much.
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Hey Gorbatchov!
Personally I think reading ISoCF first may soften the blow.
Maybe you could suggest your wife read the article on "legalism" in the wt library first, and ask then her opinion?
It reads like a summary of ISoCF.
Maybe you could also ask your wife her thoughts on:
"Is legalism apostasy?"
"What is the opposite of legalism?"
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Where to go from here...
by Patrickday ini'm new around here, but i've been browsing the site the last few days in hopes of finding the answer to the situation i've been going through, so hopefully you can help me.
i met this girl in highschool, but never really spoke with her until about a year after i graduated.
she's three years younger (however it's legal where i'm from, don't fret) and still a teenager.
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Welcome Vivere!
Thank you for sharing your powerful story.
You have a great way of explaining something that, although common in Watchtower land, is still a rather complex topic.
And I'm delighted it worked out for you end the end.
And saddened of course for the many who've known only misery.
Greetings
Fernando
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Where to go from here...
by Patrickday ini'm new around here, but i've been browsing the site the last few days in hopes of finding the answer to the situation i've been going through, so hopefully you can help me.
i met this girl in highschool, but never really spoke with her until about a year after i graduated.
she's three years younger (however it's legal where i'm from, don't fret) and still a teenager.
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Fernando
Welcome Patrickday!
It's great that you care enough about her and a potential relationship to investigate the Watchtower maze.
All up, it is very high risk.
Great advice above by other posters.
From my personal perspective, until you both are very clear, on where the honey (faith, spirituality, and the gospel) stops and the arsenic (religion) starts, you should not be making lifechanging decisions.
Maybe you could both agree that when this day arrives you will check in with each other again?
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It's raining GB
by sparrowdown inwhat would a gb calender look like?.
of course they may need to photoshop their faces on some fireman bodies, and.
there isn't enough of them for every month of the year, but would they go the "full monty".
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Again, would someone stoop low enough, for a few minutes, to write them this great idea, pleading in their best sycophant language, that the sheeple would be delighted to daily look upon the mugs and bods of their favourite council of Popes?
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Governing Body Member Gets Cream Pie Smushed On Face While Giving Talk At Convention About The Need To Always Respect The Governing Body To Keep Jehovah Happy, Video
by frankiespeakin inif you do, or decide to do it please take a video and post it on utube.
call it 'sparlock's revenge'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxfupd89wxs.
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Fernando
Wasn't this exactly what made people realise Jeff Skilling, of Enron, was not God, and could actually be prosecuted and jailed for his crimes?
From the 2005 movie "The Smartest Guys in the Room".
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2002/01/28/rise-and-fall-enron/
"June 21, 2001 - At an appearance in California, Jeff Skilling is hit in the face with a cream pie as Enron comes under fire for "profiteering" from the electricity crisis."
It worked once, and it can work again.
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This will be a GREAT organization!
by Kensho inwhen...... 1) we follow christ example not the gb.
2) stop df'ing those for challenging current or past doctrine and allow us to use our god given gift of reason and free wil.
sure kick out the scumbags even the lions club have rules for membership, but not those who just use their brains and consience.. 3) get rid of the nonsensical blood teaching that has cost the lives of thousands and beg god for forgiveness.
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Except it is "organisation" that keeps getting in the way of "relationship".
As Bill Maher explained:
"I'm not an atheist. There's a really big difference between an atheist and someone who just doesn't believe in religion. Religion to me is a bureaucracy between man and God that I don't need. But I'm not an atheist, no."
As Jesus explained:
(Matthew 7:22, 23, NWT) . . .Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! . . .
(John 17:3, RNWT) This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
As Charles Taze Russell warned:
"Beware of organization. It is wholly unnecessary. The Bible rules will be the only rules you will need. Do not seek to bind others' consciences, and do not permit others to bind yours." ( Concerning profitable meetings, Zion's Watch Tower, September 15, 1895 )
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How Accurate Is JWN In Your Opinion?
by minimus inwould you say this board gives accurate information, overall?
if someone started reading the comments here, do you think they would find this discussion board as accurate?.
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Fernando
To me that sounds a little like asking:
"how accurate is a community?"
or, "how accurate is the process of making sense of disturbing experiences?"
Of course I'm sure most posters try to be as accurate as possible within the confines of their ability when sharing and comparing their necessarily subjective experiences, in an effort to arrive at objective conclusions.