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  Is the Jesus of religion conservative, and the Jesus of the New Testament liberal?

  by Fernando in

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  is the jesus of religion conservative, and the jesus of the new testament liberal?.

  your thoughts?.

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  Fernando

  He spoke of how things would be in an ideal world, but understood that earth was not an ideal world, so it was fruitless and cruel to impose harsh, black and white standards on very imperfect people.

  very well said FHN...
  
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  Is the Jesus of religion conservative, and the Jesus of the New Testament liberal?

  by Fernando in

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  is the jesus of religion conservative, and the jesus of the new testament liberal?.

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  Is the Jesus of religion conservative, and the Jesus of the New Testament liberal?

  by Fernando in

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  is the jesus of religion conservative, and the jesus of the new testament liberal?.

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  Is the Jesus of religion conservative, and the Jesus of the New Testament liberal?

  by Fernando in

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  is the jesus of religion conservative, and the jesus of the new testament liberal?.

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  LOL Sanchy, Bernie Sanders...

  A 2013 survey by the Barna group found that 86% of Christians in the USA have attitudes and/or actions that are more like the Pharisees (conservative) than like Jesus (liberal).

  In the book "Spirit Level" researchers Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett show significant correlation between the level of income inequality and health/social problems or dysfunction when comparing countries and states.

  On one chart of 20 leading nations, the USA (which by some estimates has around 60% church attendance) has the highest inequality and dysfunction. On the same chart Norway (which by some estimates has around 3% church attendance) has one of the lowest levels of inequality and dysfunction.

  The 3 worst states in the USA?

  All in the Bible belt: Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama.

  The 4 best states in the USA?

  All not in the Bible belt: New Hampshire, Minnesota, North Dakota and Vermont.

  More research on the above may be needed but indications are that conservatism fails to deliver what it promises, and is instead very unhealthy.
  

  Sexual abuse of young boys by "celibate" priests is one of many snapshots of this failure.

  And what about the pedophilia, rape, and fraud in "God's clean organization", all of which our family has personally experienced - firsthand? Oh, and by the way, the perpetrators are at this very moment still serving (themselves) as elders (Pharisees) in good standing with "God's clean organization" as emissaries of the Governing Body (Sanhedrin or council of Popes).
  
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  Visit From Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  had two lovely jws (stephen and ruth) visit this morning.

  this was our second study in the last 2 weeks.

  they first knocked on my door (bell is out) 3 weeks ago and i shared my testimony and we arranged to meet last tuesday which we did.. our first study went like this:.

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  Fernando

  Teaching JWs how to use their own Watchtower library?

  Great gig if you can get it.

  Great fun too...
  
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  Is the Jesus of religion conservative, and the Jesus of the New Testament liberal?

  by Fernando in

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  is the jesus of religion conservative, and the jesus of the new testament liberal?.

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  Fernando

  Indeed, I see what you say Blondie.

  From a Jesus (good) vs Pharisees (bad) perspective possibly one might say:

  • Liberal = yielding to and embracing prevenient Natural Law and Order
    
    

  • Conservative = ignoring, negating, countermanding and usurping prevenient Natural Law and Order, typically via religious legalism, moralism, doctrinal ethnocentrism, supremacist gnosticism (privileged knowledge), hierarchy, magisterium, clericalism, creedalism, hypocrisy, self-righteousness, ignorance, indifference, inequality, inequity, and bigotry.
    
    

  Or in plain English: liberals navigate by intuition, conservatives navigate by dogma.

  It would be interesting to hear other definitions and perspectives
  
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  Jehovah`s Witnesses Boasted They have No Clergy Laity Class ?

  by smiddy in

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  2. friends

  well that`s what was impressed on me to differentiate between the true religion and false religion , when i was converted in 1960 , do they still claim that ?

  believing that they still do , i will say this.. what about ,:the governing body who definitely are set apart from the rank and file for their attitude towards the r&f , but also from the attitude of the r&f towards the governing body members.many do seem to idolise gb members by their actions , and the gb members dont seem to discourage that.. and not only for their attitude , how about their life-style , being housed in bethel with all the mod -cons of modern civilization as opposed to a r&f member living in a third world country .does the wt society do anything to make their lifestyle improve ?

  { did jesus have a place to rest his head ?

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  Watchtower religion doublespeak on clergy vs laity two class system

  
  

  ka,1973 - God’s Kingdom of a Thousand Years Has Approached

  
  

  *** ka chap. 18 p. 375 par. 27 Bringing the “Man of Lawlessness” to Nothing ***

  27 Did Jesus Christ, the Head of the Christian congregation, give instructions for his disciples to be divided up into clergy and laity? Nowhere in the four Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John or in the book of Acts of Apostles or in the book of Revelation are there instructions to split up his disciples into two general classes.

  *** ka chap. 18 pp. 375-376 pars. 27-28 Bringing the “Man of Lawlessness” to Nothing ***

  In the Revelation given to him through Jesus Christ, the apostle John refers to all the disciples of Christ as being priests, saying: “He made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father. . . . ” “You made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”—Revelation 1:6; 5:10.

  28 Likewise, the apostle Peter writes the Christians that they are all priests, saying: “Be you also as living stones built up, a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. But you are a chosen generation, a kingly priesthood, a holy nation, a purchased people: that you may declare his virtues, who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light.”—1 Peter 2:5, 9, Roman Catholic Douay Version.

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  Searching wt lib 2014 for “faithful and discreet slave class” produces 361 hits.

  Searching wt lib 2014 for “anointed class” produces 54 hits.

  Searching wt lib 2014 for “other sheep class” produces 49 hits.

  Searching wt lib 2014 for “both classes” produces 38 hits.

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  *** w09 10/15 p. 15 par. 14 “You Are My Friends” ***

  One way is to obey the direction provided by the faithful and discreet slave class, which consists of Jesus’ spirit-anointed brothers still alive on earth.

  *** w67 10/1 p. 593 par. 9 Following Faithful Shepherds with Life in View ***

  These men too, though occupying responsible positions of oversight themselves, recognize and submit to the superior appointment of the “faithful and discreet slave.”
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  meeting with elders about WT involvement in UN

  by LevelThePlayingField in

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  2. scandals

  i still go to the meetings because of my in wife and it came about that the elders knew of my pissed off attitude about the society getting involved in the un.

  so the elders said they could help me get over that and wanted to meet with me.

  now just to let you know, i have only told my wife and her mom so far about it, that's it.

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  Fernando

  The spiritually blind, confused, insane and toxic Watchtower ruling religious clergy class is always right no matter how wrong they are.

  Knowing more, better, or differently is a capital offense for anyone especially those of the laity class.
  
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  Is the Jesus of religion conservative, and the Jesus of the New Testament liberal?

  by Fernando in

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  is the jesus of religion conservative, and the jesus of the new testament liberal?.

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  Is the Jesus of religion conservative, and the Jesus of the New Testament liberal?

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  Our secretly recorded disfellowshipping and 2 year anniversary since leaving on Watchtower Victims Memorial Day!!!

  by Christian Gutierrez in

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  hey guys it's been 2 years since leaving and this is how life has gone for us since then.

  hope you guys have had a positive experience too!

  cheers 😃.

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  Fernando

  Thank you for your time and efforts in communicating a positive message and model of life after the Watchtower.

  The video and audio quality is great.
  

  Greetings

  Fernando