Posts by skepticSam

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Watchtower 6/28/2015 on 1st Christian Courage, Have the Courageous Watchtower Leaders Ever Condemned Radical Islam?

by skepticSam in

i read blondie's great summary of today's watchtower lesson and thought about all the christians who died from various deaths for preaching the word and because they really believed what they preached the watchtower asked something of this sort, "if you were a christian in the early centuries, could you boldly stand up to all the exquisite tortures hurled at the first century christians because they were not afraid to take a stand for christ or be cowards to evil!".

are you aware of any condemnation made by the watchtower against radical islam or any actions showing their courage and being no part of this world?

they attack patient christian religions but what about others, where is their courage?.

skepticSam

I read Blondie's great summary of Today's Watchtower lesson and thought about all the Christians who died from various deaths for preaching the Word and because they really believed what they preached The Watchtower asked something of this sort, "If you were a Christian in the Early Centuries, could you boldly stand up to all the exquisite tortures hurled at the First Century Christians because they were not afraid to take a stand for Christ or be cowards to evil!"

Are you aware of any condemnation made by the Watchtower against Radical Islam or any actions showing their courage and being no part of this World? They attack patient Christian religions but what about others, where is their courage?

The Watchtower has made scathing attacks against Christendom, where is this same courage when speaking about a religion that attacks homosexuals, puts atheists in prison if caught, cuts peoples hands off for stealing, stones men and women to death? Where is the courageous Watchtower and Governing Body's condemnation made against Radical Islam, does it exists or they just a bunch of cowards afraid of getting killed by suicide bombers? They sure attack Christian religions with a poisonous tongue, have they took at stand against Radicals like most Christian Religions have or not?

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What's the Worst Gossip You Heard About Why You were DF'ed, Faded or Left and Never Came Back? They say "I am gay!"

by PhilsWager2 in

your going to enjoy the latest rumor i heard why i have not been to meeting for around nine months, i am a homosexual!

i was caught having a drink at one of the gay bars for business, yes people still talk business in bars.

revelation 17:4).and murderers, and fornicators (cf.

skepticSam

The biggest accusers were usually hiding something under their roofs, the pious pioneer couple that loved to share bad news had their marriage implode after he ran off seeking a new life as a woman. She was such a hag, so happy to put people down that missed meeting or share inside information from elders meetings, she was sad when the topic of "what's being said behind close doors" was her husband's transgender disfellowshiping! Ironic, to see people calling the police station to see if any child sex predators were living by so they could make territory-maps to warn all the publishers. He was a pedophile and eventually got caught, making maps to hand out mothers with small children boosted trust in him, was that his reason, to build trust only to move in on the children himself?

The new generation has no idea all the time we squandered at Meetings, Circuit Assemblies and District 5 day Assemblies. Does anyone remember a half-day on Thursday, full day on Friday to Sunday, what a relief of stress to walk away from all that control? The wasted three days a week for Monday, Wed and Sunday meetings, sickening to think we wasted so much time and allowed our minds to become shacked with bogus, unintelligent teachings and field service of preaching a message of doom! I don't miss the anxiety and stress, happy everyone here has almost made it out of the Watchtower Mental Correctional Facilities!

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What's the Worst Gossip You Heard About Why You were DF'ed, Faded or Left and Never Came Back? They say "I am gay!"

by PhilsWager2 in

your going to enjoy the latest rumor i heard why i have not been to meeting for around nine months, i am a homosexual!

i was caught having a drink at one of the gay bars for business, yes people still talk business in bars.

revelation 17:4).and murderers, and fornicators (cf.

skepticSam

How come gossip is not a sin to all the witnesses spreading lies about people they have no idea about? When called on the wicked accusations by the Witnesses by those harmed, they are the biggest cowards of all and refuse to stand by their statements. How many of you have ever called people on their lies, how many of you have challenged the lies of the cunning manipulators of truth? Their actions prove they are not Christians, they are nothing but liars who will end up where they belong, no amount of field service is going to cover up their sins!

Why are they so eager to run to badness, in a hurry to do shameful things? They have no desire to help you spiritually, most of these witnesses are nothing but trolls bored to death from a religion that's failed them in all aspects of life. Many of these Witnesses are poor, they have no family lives because many of the witness families are filled with judgmental hatred, so really what is the fading witness missing out on?

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We Lost Our Preaching MOJO, how do we get it back?

by skepticSam in

does anyone have any theories why our territory that's be reduced six or seven times over the last twenty years is not covered anymore?

we use to cover our area in less than six months and now nobody really keeps track of how the preaching work by territory is going.

is the advent of the mobile-literature machine why we don't see a zealous preaching spirit?

skepticSam

Does anyone have any theories why our territory that's be reduced six or seven times over the last twenty years is not covered anymore? We use to cover our area in less than Six Months and now nobody really keeps track of how the preaching work by territory is going. Is the advent of the mobile-literature machine why we don't see a zealous preaching spirit? Why are Witnesses not zealous anymore, are they burned out, have they lost sight of the prize?

Instead of working the territories to death, "we worked them to life" so why does it take over three years to complete our territory when we have three times the JWs living here? The sluggish slave won't make Jehovah's faithful slave happy, what are we going to do to get people motivated to preach more?

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Crisis of Consience market price (we are in a bull market)

by NewYork44M in

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i was considering getting another copy of one of ray's books and was shocked about the market value.

is ray's book worth $1,000?

perhaps, but it is a bit shocking.

skepticSam

These are called "Spoof Prices", they don't sell or reflect the true nature of the Market.

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Do JW still drink like a fish in small gathering??

by James Mixon in

in the 60's and 70's when i became a mindless cult follower there.

were gathering for the elite and they would get sh---t face, i mean down right.

drunk.

skepticSam

Yes, we have elders pickling their livers to avoid thinking about their lot in life. If you were to see how much some can drink, they make Animal House, "The Hangover" look like rookies!

We have a local elder who was caught for shooting up heroine and kept these facts from the sheep, all kept hush-hush to avoid detection. JWs have no ideas their local leaders are not very stable inside, life is not easy!

Guess who gave a part on "Keeping your bodies clean before Jehovah" recently, strange group of hypocrites!

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Strange Moment During The 2015 Regional Convention

by JW_Rogue in

hi, i'm new here but hadn't seen this mentioned anywhere yet.

during the "imitate jesus" rc there was a strange moment where they played a video of a brother trying to explain the 1914 teaching.

the brother quickly goes through all the scriptural "proofs" and the householder is dumbfounded.

skepticSam

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stillin4 days ago

I was perplexed by that too. I wondered if is was only there to reinforce the cognitive dissonance that is needed to shrug off the whole chronology thing. Almost nobody can rattle off that sequence, anyhow"

Thank you for mentioning that, often we forget the Watchtower is trying to distract intelligent people from learning the truth, that's why they are attacking the Web and ExJWs who learned the truth and share factually based information to anyone thinking about joining or desiring to walk away from this deceitful organization! Thank you for all the help from good people running all the websites, JWN, JWStruggle, JW Facts, and JWSurvey too, JWN has the most dynamic and robust topics, we can't thank Simon enough for all his hard work!

You only have two choices unless you fade, think about what it means to come face to face with the fact you've been lied to your entire life about this religion! By yielding to cognitive dissonance you don't have to, you can have ideas like 1914 told to entire audiences and nobody can have a intellectual discourse because if you don't accept these teachings, your among the "fallen", "prideful", "evil slave", "lack of humility", "Agents of Satan" all because you followed the examples of good in Bible times. Think about Jesus Christ, if he showed up here they would dis-fellowship the very being they claim to worship or obey.

1. Cut your losses and move with life or the next goal waiting ahead for us, the way professionals and honest scientist do when their game or project fails. You don't get paid being a loser and failed hypothesis don't turn in to theories, move on with life!

2. Admitting your wrong is too costly to people, that's why cognitive dissonance is scary to all of us here. To step away from the Cult costs all your family, friendships, acceptance you got fooled or deceived by a group of ignorant or willful liars. Cognitive D make's avoiding painful reflection possible, you don't have to lose family inside the Cult, you can still count all your "God Points" even though they don't count in the real Bible or Jesus teachings. C.D. allows all sorts of people the gift of avoiding the truth, this part they taught on 1914 is nothing more than telling people "God is giving us more time to warn the wicked and change their ways!" like the Watchtower has done since the start of their long line of false prophecies and stolen lives they took!

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2005 - The year the Society began its decline (without anyone noticing)!

by cedars in

i've just finished an article for randy over on freeminds.org, which i've submitted to him for review.

hopefully it should be online soon, so please keep checking!.

the article discusses the fact that the watch tower society is already in decline, and suggests the year 2005 as the turning point.

skepticSam

Do we have solid evidence the Organization is dropping off attendance wise vs just consolidating operations and eliminating redundancies(JW Missionaries, Bethel Workers, District Overseers) like all the Big Companies did after the Dot.com Implosion, Banking Meltdown and more "Right Sizing" efforts done by professional enterprises. The Watchtower is usually joining the paradigm as another one begins, that's how they operate!

What proof do we have to demonstrate their loosing their foothold, not just cutting costs and eliminating their free help, you know you have problems when your asking free labor to leave. They are not growing, in this Economy where signs of growth are taking place, they are downsizing and consolidating all their assets so the Old Men of Bethel have over $2 Billion in assets to enjoy the 21st Century with!

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Why Ravi Zacharias Never Became A Jehovah's Witness (Pre 1975 End Times Preaching). Famous Christian Apologist.

by skepticSam in

i was shocked to learn dr. zacharias studied with the jws and why he never became a jw, it was the jws incompetence that lead to dr. zacharias leading a different path in life.

he's one of the best speakers and logicians in my opinion, he's got two phds and works with extraordinary men and women willing to speak at any university or mormon temple because the word he uses is based off the word.

how come the governing body are afraid to attend q/as at yale, cambridge, oxford, ucla, harvard, rutgers ect..??

skepticSam

My ancient mother said "The elders said "the End is closer than before!" as opposed to "The End is farther than ever!" and she believe's this or try's to convince me its true so I won't leave the lie! Why don't more people see how inept the Dark Lords of the Governing Body are, if they had any common decency they would tell the JWs to get a good job, plan on getting a retirement account and behave in action as good neighbors, not hate filled bitter losers!

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To those who worked with the Public and had Co-workers, would your job have been easier without the Cult mind?

by skepticSam in

i was thinking about the decades i worked with a team of people, around 40 give and take a few in this enterprise.

the watchtower made thing harder with all the guilt along with that push to convert anyone at any point of the day.

i thought life would have been so much easier if i was not part of this cult.

skepticSam

I worked with agnostics and fundamental Christians, don't recall anyone being a strong atheists, most were pretty decent people. It was all the information the Meeting poured down our throats to make us feel superior and think "they need to convert to the teachings of the GB or their going to die!" This being in the 1984 time period with 1986 coming up(1986 was a local End Times Date set by a few members where I lived) I wanted to get them saved, 1986 came and went without me asking "how come we allow so many false dates and nobody challenges them?" The charity events, donating food for Xmas drive, donating blood, any methods to help the community were frowned upon because Jehovah's Witnesses are doing more than anyone else, we are sharing the Truth, not wasting time on issues only Jehovah can fix. How come we did not apply the rules we attacked other religions with, to ourselves? The Kingdom Hall attracted the most selfish and calloused people, can you recall having the friends help pay for "gas" for Field Service", willingly help with "Clean Ups", make meals for the sick witnesses without being prodded to or check up on their own sick members? I was in over a dozen Halls and these issues were tough because we claimed to follow the Master but our actions screamed "We are selfish! We don't care about anyone, no even our own Witness family!"

JW Facts has the perfect response