Posts by skepticSam

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Candace Conti Settles

by Nitty-Gritty in

hot topic on topix seems to be candace conti settlement.

but it's all quiet here.

are you guys aware that your hero, who was not in it for the money but to change policies, settled without changing anything?

"How do you know that WT do not base their judgement on what law enforcement has said about the perpetrator and on history of prosecution? What else do you think they can base their judgment on??? Logically??"

All the lawsuits paid off by the Watchtower (Fredrick Cecil Mclean) "Tour of San Diego Kingdom Halls" provides us enough statistical data to infer the Elders have no business making decisions on anything more than washing a toilet or cleaning windows. We have plenty of empirical data the Watchtower knew they had a problem but ignored this so they could put on the pretense the "Kingdom Hall is the Best Place in the World to Be!" Bullshit. While lashing out at Christendom for Child Abuse Cover Ups, they were hiding their own Pedophiles and preventing true justice by mentally abusing the victims!

All the Watchtower's victims who reported their abuse got tired of being told to "Wait on Jehovah", "If you speak out to the Police, people won't come to the Kingdom Hall. If people don't come to the Kingdom Hall, they will die at Armageddon! If people die at Armageddon, you will be Blood Guilty" Evil Reasoning at it's height!

You need to speak with Barbara Anderson and Bob Bowen and watch the Dateline Special on JWs and Pedophilia because you are not being logical. I am very emotional on this topic because a few of us lost our wonder privileges for exposing these freaks "that don't exist in Jehovah's Organization", yes, we got punished for exposing Pedophiles, what a great Organization you have!

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Candace Conti Settles

by Nitty-Gritty in

hot topic on topix seems to be candace conti settlement.

but it's all quiet here.

are you guys aware that your hero, who was not in it for the money but to change policies, settled without changing anything?

skepticSam

Obeying local and national laws vs the law of humanity is what your saying the elders and followers of the Watchtower need to obey! Bravo, we got ourselves a potential defense lawyer for the Eichmann s and Milosevic s of humanity! Does the Watchtower want justice for it's victims or avoid any entanglement by letting the World know this religion is not free from freak shows? We were told our entire existence in the Organization to never let the World know what's going on inside (I refer to "going to court", "telling worldly people we have wicked members who steal from you, your neighbors or the Government by not paying taxes. Victims of Sexual Abuse were frequently told in the 1980s-1990s to "Wait on Jehovah" only to go insane or kill themselves! )... How many Ex-JW Elders and females know of situations where you were told to "throw your pride out the door and Wait on Jehovah" until you could no longer take their evil ways of hiding all that's bad inside the Kingdom Halls so people think "Jehovah's Witnesses are great, their different and don't suffer the problems our churches do!".......

"I cannot recognize the verdict of guilty. . . . It was my misfortune to become entangled in these atrocities. But these misdeeds did not happen according to my wishes. It was not my wish to slay people. . . . Once again I would stress that I am guilty of having been obedient, having subordinated myself to my official duties and the obligations of war service and my oath of allegiance and my oath of office, and in addition, once the war started, there was also martial law. . . . I did not persecute Jews with avidity and passion. That is what the government did. . . . At that time obedience was demanded, just as in the future it will also be demanded of the subordinate.".

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nuremberg_defense

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We can no longer support "religious freedom" says the ACLU

by StarTrekAngel in

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/congress-should-amend-the-abused-religious-freedom-restoration-act/2015/06/25/ee6aaa46-19d8-11e5-ab92-c75ae6ab94b5_story.html

skepticSam

Classic Joseph Goebbels OP ED, he would be so proud of all your half-truths and all the suckers who did not read the article or use critical thinking, you really have a heart for the Watchtower posting lies like this!

Great job Viv and others who caught the BS! There are great members on JWN who challenge Bullshit Threads, this is why it's such a great place to learn, A+ for all the members that read the source instead of believing the NAZI Style Propaganda! I read a book recently on Goebbels, this style of half-truth is what made him such a genius!

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Watchtower 6/28/2015 on 1st Christian Courage, Have the Courageous Watchtower Leaders Ever Condemned Radical Islam?

by skepticSam in

i read blondie's great summary of today's watchtower lesson and thought about all the christians who died from various deaths for preaching the word and because they really believed what they preached the watchtower asked something of this sort, "if you were a christian in the early centuries, could you boldly stand up to all the exquisite tortures hurled at the first century christians because they were not afraid to take a stand for christ or be cowards to evil!".

are you aware of any condemnation made by the watchtower against radical islam or any actions showing their courage and being no part of this world?

they attack patient christian religions but what about others, where is their courage?.

skepticSam

smiddy15 hours ago

Their is no way the WT would take on radical Islam , the WT leaders like to keep their head on their shoulders , when it`s not up their own ass .

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Good stuff smiddy, everyone else nailed it on this round! The Watchtower is anti-Christian, not Anti-False Religion is one of the best concepts you enlightened me with. Why is the Watchtower unwilling to speak out when other Christians in Islamic Countries have spoken out and might have suffered!
Another topic is their constant attacks against people who leave their ranks because their sick of hearing the same old lies, if Jesus was to return would he really pick a religion started by ten crusty old white during Rutherford's time? Watchtower Leaders and Members are part of Babylon the Great, they have nothing in common with Christianity and that's why they focus their hate on "apostates" and "Christians" while shutting their mouths against other religions!

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Watchtower 6/28/2015 on 1st Christian Courage, Have the Courageous Watchtower Leaders Ever Condemned Radical Islam?

by skepticSam in

i read blondie's great summary of today's watchtower lesson and thought about all the christians who died from various deaths for preaching the word and because they really believed what they preached the watchtower asked something of this sort, "if you were a christian in the early centuries, could you boldly stand up to all the exquisite tortures hurled at the first century christians because they were not afraid to take a stand for christ or be cowards to evil!".

are you aware of any condemnation made by the watchtower against radical islam or any actions showing their courage and being no part of this world?

they attack patient christian religions but what about others, where is their courage?.

skepticSam

Lieu, I heard a few Southern Senators speaking on topics like "boots on the ground in Crimea", "Boots on the ground in Ukraine", "Boots on the ground in Taiwan", "moving in to topple North Korea"! With the great success in the Middle East one would think these Warmongers and puppets of the Military Industrial Complex might shut their horrible mouths. What's worse is the Christians who are claiming that it was a good idea to go in to Iraq, Libya and Yemen and stir things up! They are not Christians under the Christ we believe in, they are part of this World of destruction!

Now the Christian Religion, ability to not believe in anything, or belief we don't know and maybe God, gods don't care" is going away. I would like to ask the Christian leader who spoke out on the benefits of invading Iraq when George Bush was in power because he said the Christians there gained more freedom. How can that be so if they have lost almost all their churches in Iraq and going extinct in Libya too?

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Watchtower 6/28/2015 on 1st Christian Courage, Have the Courageous Watchtower Leaders Ever Condemned Radical Islam?

by skepticSam in

i read blondie's great summary of today's watchtower lesson and thought about all the christians who died from various deaths for preaching the word and because they really believed what they preached the watchtower asked something of this sort, "if you were a christian in the early centuries, could you boldly stand up to all the exquisite tortures hurled at the first century christians because they were not afraid to take a stand for christ or be cowards to evil!".

are you aware of any condemnation made by the watchtower against radical islam or any actions showing their courage and being no part of this world?

they attack patient christian religions but what about others, where is their courage?.

skepticSam

I know the Governing Body has no clout, maybe if JWs saw the Governing Body and writers of the Watchtower as impotent in issues like this, they might think further down the line.

Do you see the Middle East and Africa imploding all around us? If we had people invade the West how would we react? These people are filled by rage like we would, they were puppets to topple Syria and now these toys by the CIA and Military Industrial Complex are out of the bottle and willing to die for their beliefs, most people are not willing to become a suicide bomber. Did you watch the videos in Tunisia and the Neutral Germans getting slayed by mad men doing what was done to them? Are you worried we might get engulfed in a massive situation if the USA and it's leaders keep on screwing with the Middle East?

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Watchtower 6/28/2015 on 1st Christian Courage, Have the Courageous Watchtower Leaders Ever Condemned Radical Islam?

by skepticSam in

i read blondie's great summary of today's watchtower lesson and thought about all the christians who died from various deaths for preaching the word and because they really believed what they preached the watchtower asked something of this sort, "if you were a christian in the early centuries, could you boldly stand up to all the exquisite tortures hurled at the first century christians because they were not afraid to take a stand for christ or be cowards to evil!".

are you aware of any condemnation made by the watchtower against radical islam or any actions showing their courage and being no part of this world?

they attack patient christian religions but what about others, where is their courage?.

skepticSam

They attacked the methods employed by the Crusaders, Inquisition Tribunal and the methods used by the Witch Hunts in Europe and the Early United States Colonies. I fail to see any valid responses to the question, your aware they made vicious attacks on Christendom for those very things mentioned or not? The Watchtower has taken a stand against what they perceive the Masses hating but where is that same desire to speak out on behalf of the Masses, did it whither and fade away???

Voltaire said "I wish people would behave as Redeemed instead of preaching Redemption" but than again not everyone was part of the Crusades, Inquisition and Witch hunts so why am I complaining the Watchtower's failure to bring up ISIS and ISIL?

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Anti-JW billboard going up in Texas

by sunny23 in

the first ever billboard has been crowd funded on reddit and will be going up.

i'm curious to know if it will cause a spark in any jw's who already have questions or doubts and lead them to research into the child abuse cases and lead them to the thought that the wt and gb are not inspired or gods mouthpiece.

at the very least it will provide people a topic of conversation and questions to the jw's who knock on their door: "so whats this whole sex abuse in kingdom halls thing about i saw on the billboard down the road?

skepticSam

If anyone thinks this method of media is not working, your totally wrong(Not saying anyone here is thinking this!) because it is! They had a blowout Quarter because Outdoor Advertising Revenues grew very nicely year-over year, if you want a message put out in the view of Pubic Opinion, these Bill Boards will pose a threat to the Watchtower and other Cults too!

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Watchtower 6/28/2015 on 1st Christian Courage, Have the Courageous Watchtower Leaders Ever Condemned Radical Islam?

by skepticSam in

i read blondie's great summary of today's watchtower lesson and thought about all the christians who died from various deaths for preaching the word and because they really believed what they preached the watchtower asked something of this sort, "if you were a christian in the early centuries, could you boldly stand up to all the exquisite tortures hurled at the first century christians because they were not afraid to take a stand for christ or be cowards to evil!".

are you aware of any condemnation made by the watchtower against radical islam or any actions showing their courage and being no part of this world?

they attack patient christian religions but what about others, where is their courage?.

skepticSam

I am not going off on Islam, all I want to know is if this group of writers and men were to put themselves back in the shoes of the First and Second Century Christians, would the shoes fit or would they be cowards? Almost no followers of the Watchtower Society are emulating what the First and Second Century Christians practiced and it gets worse as time goes on! The qualities the Watchtower preaches as being good are only found during the 20th Century or by Cult Leaders like David Koresh or Jim Jones! The Watchtower had to drop Pastor Russell from their list of Anointed because even he would condemn the current leaders of the Watchtower as useless or worthless fake Christians.

Justin Martyr in his dialogue mentions that Christians do not practice abortion or allow children to die by exposure. Justin say's Christians take the children because they will end up as sex slaves or worse if allowed to be taken by ruthless people. Jehovah's Witnesses are not helping with adoption agencies, working with victims or helping the Poor, they want applause for doing nothing! The Early Church Fathers and letters mention the vast amount of good the Christians did for everyone, not just their own members!

Islam commands it's members to give to charity, they got the Watchtower beat on that basic tenant of humanity. Maybe the Watchtower might get more members if they were not so selfish and focused on their leaders!

Have you ever noticed the Watchtower constantly tells it's members through talks and writings they need to "do good to Christ's brothers (meaning those at Bethel since all other brothers of Christ are questionable or mentally ill) only, they rarely speak about doing good to the members in the congregation? All focus is on the structures, not those who attend them, everything about this religion is based on numbers and what you can see, how does the Jehovah Witness Religion expect to stand up to the Great Persecution when they have no courage or love binding it together, they are truly the "Religion of Hate!"

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Watchtower 6/28/2015 on 1st Christian Courage, Have the Courageous Watchtower Leaders Ever Condemned Radical Islam?

by skepticSam in

i read blondie's great summary of today's watchtower lesson and thought about all the christians who died from various deaths for preaching the word and because they really believed what they preached the watchtower asked something of this sort, "if you were a christian in the early centuries, could you boldly stand up to all the exquisite tortures hurled at the first century christians because they were not afraid to take a stand for christ or be cowards to evil!".

are you aware of any condemnation made by the watchtower against radical islam or any actions showing their courage and being no part of this world?

they attack patient christian religions but what about others, where is their courage?.

skepticSam

I read Blondie's great summary of Today's Watchtower lesson and thought about all the Christians who died from various deaths for preaching the Word and because they really believed what they preached The Watchtower asked something of this sort, "If you were a Christian in the Early Centuries, could you boldly stand up to all the exquisite tortures hurled at the First Century Christians because they were not afraid to take a stand for Christ or be cowards to evil!"

Are you aware of any condemnation made by the Watchtower against Radical Islam or any actions showing their courage and being no part of this World? They attack patient Christian religions but what about others, where is their courage?

The Watchtower has made scathing attacks against Christendom, where is this same courage when speaking about a religion that attacks homosexuals, puts atheists in prison if caught, cuts peoples hands off for stealing, stones men and women to death? Where is the courageous Watchtower and Governing Body's condemnation made against Radical Islam, does it exists or they just a bunch of cowards afraid of getting killed by suicide bombers? They sure attack Christian religions with a poisonous tongue, have they took at stand against Radicals like most Christian Religions have or not?