what really is the biblical support for this major doctrine of the wt society?
when i was still a pioneer, we met a young lady at her door, crying and holding a small disabled baby, asking for an explanation.
my friend, it was his turn at the door, started to mumble something about universal sovereignity.
You cant get out of the book of Genesis and satan proves h was right.
I remember looking at the figures of the WT book True peace and security – how can you find it? (1986, a 2nd edition of an older book) and in those Satan looks much more intelligent and dynamic than poor Jesus (do not have a copy any more).
what really is the biblical support for this major doctrine of the wt society?
when i was still a pioneer, we met a young lady at her door, crying and holding a small disabled baby, asking for an explanation.
my friend, it was his turn at the door, started to mumble something about universal sovereignity.
What really is the biblical support for this major doctrine of the WT society? When I was still a pioneer, we met a young lady at her door, crying and holding a small disabled baby, asking for an explanation. My friend, it was his turn at the door, started to mumble something about universal sovereignity. The lady literally threw us out, for a reason. I was so ashamed. Many times after that I was about to ring the bell again but just could not. An elder in the congregation reminded me about parents taking their kid to a painful operation (from the WT book You can live in paradise...) but that was no explanation: the parents do so because they are not almighty and have no other choice. Back to the WT explanation... so I wrote this story:
Jehovah, small Jesus and Satan are sitting at a sandbox.
Jesus says to Satan: My father built this sandbox.
Satan replies: Jehovah is my father too, my mom said so.
Jesus to Jehovah: Is that true? Does my mom know?
Jehovah to Jesus: Well, boy, when you grow up, you'll learn about some things... oh shit, those ants are climbing my leg.... they do not respect the Lord of creation...
Jesus to Jehovah: Dad, you did not answer my question, do not change the topic!
Jehovah to Jesus: My son, go to the ants... (Proverbs 6:6), you can learn many things from them.
Jesus answers: Dad, let those ants be. And they are not evil. You did not answer me.
Jehovah gets nervous: I shall get a hosepipe and rinse those ants to hell.
Satan is smiling...
Jesus goes to his Father: Dad, please do not put your anger on the ants...
After the sandbox is flushed, Jehovah seems more calm.
Soon after that, the ants are building up something again...
Jesus likes that: Look, dad, at the ants and get wise (Proverbs 6:6), you cannot prevent them!
Jehovah gets furious: Those ants shall know that I am Jehovah! (Ezekiel 36:23)
Satan gets hilarious...
Jehovah runs into the house to get some ant poison.
Soon after the ants get confused in their building project.
Jehovah boasts: What do you say now? Who rules?
Jesus answers: I still like the ants. Tell me, Dad, why is it not so that I could die but they not?
Jehovah thinks a while: Do not be silly, boy. Things like that only happen in fairy tales.
Jesus continues: Dad, is Satan really my brother?
Jehovah replies: Well boy, it just happened that...
Satans gets back: Jesus, guess what, whose money was used to buy me a new bicycle?
Jehovah admits to Jesus: ...eh... Satan is your brother, really.
Jesus looks at Satan and hugs him: Now I understand why you sometimes are jealous of dad. My dear brother!
Jehovah admits: I may have neglected you, Satan.
Jesus says to Jehovah and Satan: Dad, let us all be friends. Also let the ants live their own life free! They are innocent and brought by chance on our yard.
Jehovah replies: Out of the mouths of babes... (Matthew 21:16)
Jesus rejoices: And also Satan can play in this sandbox with us and go to and fro in it and walk up and down in it! (Job 1:7)
from the online news at yahoo for 29 october 2009:.
scientists have observed the most distant object in the universe, thought to come from a star that exploded more than 13 billion years ago.
the research team, published their findings in the journal "nature".
And I expected to live at least 13 billion years in paradise on earth...
am i dreaming this, or is the wt teaching "the generation that will not pass away" to be those who knew some of the anointed of 1914?.
are they crazy?
(not a rhetorical question).. sylvia.
"Does not make sense to me. That is how I am seeing what they mean. It is just crazy."
Yes. The Holy Spirit has spoken through the Governing Body again.
am i dreaming this, or is the wt teaching "the generation that will not pass away" to be those who knew some of the anointed of 1914?.
are they crazy?
(not a rhetorical question).. sylvia.
So the WT society has done it again. This way they can escape anything... except their own history.
In fact you could extend their logic indefinetely. As another example, consider the thing that Jesus promised to come back before the generation would pass away (Mt.24:34). Now the problem with his promise could, using this innovative WT logic, be 'explained out' by saying: "When Jesus promised that he would come back during that generation, Jesus meant by that those who saw those who saw those who saw ... (span over 2000 years) ... those who saw those who saw and heard Jesus talk."
dudes.
dudettes.
apostates and loyalists alike.
Certainly true. In the past the WT society frequently cited the Jerusalem Bible, in particular some of its footnotes. So I decided to get one, but that time the New Jerusalem Bible was already available. I still have it, a nicely bound edition with lots of background information and footnotes and the standard apocryphal books. For any JW, it would be quite beneficial to read also other footnotes of this one, not just those picked by the society (like I first did ). The story will look quite different and the development of the canon and the major doctrines of christianity become transparent.
dudes.
dudettes.
apostates and loyalists alike.
Need to add: Of course, of great interest, related to the Society's delirious interpretation of Dan.11, is 1.Macc.1, after which no further explanation is needed (and I shall not explain, just read it there), see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_Maccabees. For me, finding it in a public library, after getting a hint in the footnote of a modern bible translation, was one of the keys to freedom in the first place.
dudes.
dudettes.
apostates and loyalists alike.
If you read the Bible, you observe that the God himself did not really know much about Satan, perhaps it became clear for him in the course of time. Nameley, in the Old Testament (OT), it is not told that the figure behind the Eden snake was Satan. Try to find...
A major JW doctrine, on which everything is hung, is that some kind of a big principle has been called into question... about sovereignity between God and Satan. A funny thing is that you cannot find this doctrine defined in the in the OT.
Even vorse, in the New Testament (NT) this is not told us either and, what is told, is certainly not in the JW style. It is true that in the NT Satan lurks in here and there, but his existence does not appear as a central point in Christ's teachings in any way.
So was Jehovah so diabolic that he held this information out of reach for us for centuries? And then finally it revealed to Russell and Rutherford (hih)? In their publications Satan would then be written a bigger role than in the Bible.
The role of Satan, however, is said to be a key teaching of WT society? But then it is ONLY found in the Apocryphal texts of the OT. Just see the Book of Wisdom and the Book of Enoch. Just read those books and you find that the JW world explanation relies on information from the Apcrypha.
This explains you why JWs are not to read those texts. Reading them would make evident, where the interpretations about what happened in Eden and about Satan's role came from, and that it all reflects only the 'questionable' tradition of the Apocrypha, vhich the WT says is uninspired.
Reading list (not long): The Book of Enoch and The Book of Wisdom. Why is it that central elements of the Truth(TM) are to be found on these only?
Some fifteen years ago the elders did ignore me when I had back problems and could hardly get out of my apartment for a few months. Then I was disappointed, today I might thank them for that (if nothing else). Perhaps they felt I would become trouble (and I certainly did), because I had already quitted pioneering for not accomplishing the goals, and those who have 'lost privileges' (like my father earlier had) are in any case treated like second-class JW's in the congregation, which had been very hard for me to notice. In any case, those months finally broke the mind control.
the november 1st public wt has an article on "do you need to learn hebrew and greek?
" funny is it not that they feel we do not need too.
anywho on page 21 of said wt.
"Do you need to learn science?" could be the topic of the next WT...
