Posts by peacedog

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Another problem for the WT, Isaiah 44:24

by Chalam in

here's a problem for the wt with their god father and "a god" son theology.. the wt major on proverbs 8 and give the title of "master worker" to jesus and insert the word "[other]" into john 1:3 colossians 1:16 etc.. however, there are plenty of scriptural problems, consider this one.

isaiah 44:24 (new international version) 24 "this is what the lord says .

your redeemer, who formed you in the womb: .

peacedog

I always thought it was funny that the NWT "translators" chose to include a rhetorical question in their rendering of Isaiah 44:24. They have "Jehovah" asking, rhetorically, "Who was with me?"

This is what Jehovah has said, your Repurchaser and the former of you from the belly: "I, Jehovah, am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the earth. Who was with me?

Despite the rhetorical nature of the question and the obvious implied answer of "no one", JWs are forced to answer "THERE WAS ANOTHER GOD WITH YOU."

Next time a JW tries to tell you he or she believes the bible and is not a follower of men, show them this verse.

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Would the WT$ outright lie?

by peacedog in

jw
friends

in another thread the question of whether or not the wt$ would "outright lie" was raised.. i happen to believe that they would in a heartbeat, although i agree that their preference is for sneaky misleading statements as opposed to outright lies.

regardless, here's a short list of some of what i consider incontrovertible evidence that yes, the wt$ would outright lie.. .

consider the following statements printed in the wt magazine:.

peacedog

TD: Hilarious! Quite the effective "watchman class", huh?

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Would the WT$ outright lie?

by peacedog in

jw
friends

in another thread the question of whether or not the wt$ would "outright lie" was raised.. i happen to believe that they would in a heartbeat, although i agree that their preference is for sneaky misleading statements as opposed to outright lies.

regardless, here's a short list of some of what i consider incontrovertible evidence that yes, the wt$ would outright lie.. .

consider the following statements printed in the wt magazine:.

peacedog

Alright check this out. This one comes from the April 1, 1984 WT mag:

*** w84 4/1 p. 16 par. 5 Heed God’s Prophetic Word for Our Day ***

Today, Jehovah’s Witnesses point to the “sign” given by Jesus and look back upon 1914 as the year when his invisible presence in Kingdom power became a reality. But how could they have had advance knowledge of such a momentous event? Not because of extraordinary human wisdom. No, but because they have prayerfully studied the Scriptures, heeded God’s prophetic word and paid more than usual attention to what God’s Son foretold. (2 Peter 1:19; Hebrews 1:1, 2; 2:1) Grateful that Jehovah has ‘told them fresh things before they have appeared,’ the Witnesses are delighted to be spreading this knowledge earth wide.

Here the WT$ claims to have had "advance knowledge" of "1914 as the year when [Jesus'] invisible presence in Kingdom power became a reality".

They go on to say that "Jehovah has 'told them fresh things before they have appeared'".

But if we look at WT$ literature from the pre-1914 era we see that the WT$ had NO SUCH ADVANCE KNOWELDGE OF THIS SUPPOSED EVENT. Rather, prior to 1914, the WT$ taught that Jesus had ALREADY returned (in 1874) and had ALREADY assumed "Kingdom power" in 1978:

The Life-giver is present; and, since 1878, when he took his great power and began the exercise of his authority, none of his members need to sleep. (Thy Kingdom Come, 1891, p.240)

The year A.D. 1878, being the parallel of his assuming power and authority in the type, clearly marks the time for the actual assuming of power as King of kings, by our present, spiritual, invisible Lord–the time of his taking to himself his great power to reign, which in the prophecy is closely associated with the resurrection of his faithful, and the beginning of the trouble and wrath upon the nations. (The Time Is At Hand, 1902, pg.239)

Another blatant lie by the supposed "true religion"....

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Would the WT$ outright lie?

by peacedog in

jw
friends

in another thread the question of whether or not the wt$ would "outright lie" was raised.. i happen to believe that they would in a heartbeat, although i agree that their preference is for sneaky misleading statements as opposed to outright lies.

regardless, here's a short list of some of what i consider incontrovertible evidence that yes, the wt$ would outright lie.. .

consider the following statements printed in the wt magazine:.

peacedog

Thanks AnnOMaly.

>> "For this reason Bible Students for more than forty years past have called attention to the fact that 1914 would mark the beginning of great trouble and distress in the earth." (Golden Age, Jan 4,1922)

Yep. Blatant lie.

Forty years prior to 1922 was 1882. At that time (and right up until 1914/15, which proved their prophecy false) the WT$ claimed that 1914 would mark the END of the time of trouble, not the BEGINNING:

"We see no reason for changing the figures – nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God’s dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble." (WT Reprints, 7/15,1894, p.1672)

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Would the WT$ outright lie?

by peacedog in

jw
friends

in another thread the question of whether or not the wt$ would "outright lie" was raised.. i happen to believe that they would in a heartbeat, although i agree that their preference is for sneaky misleading statements as opposed to outright lies.

regardless, here's a short list of some of what i consider incontrovertible evidence that yes, the wt$ would outright lie.. .

consider the following statements printed in the wt magazine:.

peacedog

PSac: Great point. Not only is the statement in the WT magazine a blatant lie (since Jesus never commanded anyone to preach from house to house), but Jesus actually said the opposite!

WT$ said: Jesus commanded us "to preach the Kingdom good news from house to house."

Jesus said: "Do not keep moving from house to house" (NASB)

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Would the WT$ outright lie?

by peacedog in

jw
friends

in another thread the question of whether or not the wt$ would "outright lie" was raised.. i happen to believe that they would in a heartbeat, although i agree that their preference is for sneaky misleading statements as opposed to outright lies.

regardless, here's a short list of some of what i consider incontrovertible evidence that yes, the wt$ would outright lie.. .

consider the following statements printed in the wt magazine:.

peacedog

no problem my friend.

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Would the WT$ outright lie?

by peacedog in

jw
friends

in another thread the question of whether or not the wt$ would "outright lie" was raised.. i happen to believe that they would in a heartbeat, although i agree that their preference is for sneaky misleading statements as opposed to outright lies.

regardless, here's a short list of some of what i consider incontrovertible evidence that yes, the wt$ would outright lie.. .

consider the following statements printed in the wt magazine:.

peacedog

yesidid:

Thanks!

I started the thread with the quote from the 6/15/54 WT, but it's worth seeing again.

You also quoted the 6/15/65 WT. Good one! How could they have been "anxiously awaiting his second presence" WHEN THEY BELIEVED THAT HE HAD ALREADY RETURNED?! This is one of the most blatant lies I've seen from the WT$.

I'd actually never picked up on the lie in the Greatest Man book: "in 1914...Jesus returned invisibly...with only his faithful servants being aware of his return." In 1914, his supposed "faithful servants" were telling anyone who would listen that Jesus had already returned 40 years previous....

If you have any more, please share them.

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Would the WT$ outright lie?

by peacedog in

jw
friends

in another thread the question of whether or not the wt$ would "outright lie" was raised.. i happen to believe that they would in a heartbeat, although i agree that their preference is for sneaky misleading statements as opposed to outright lies.

regardless, here's a short list of some of what i consider incontrovertible evidence that yes, the wt$ would outright lie.. .

consider the following statements printed in the wt magazine:.

peacedog

Reminds me of the Society's Revelation book wherein every single verse in revelation is said to somehow predict some aspect of the modern day JW religion.

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Would the WT$ outright lie?

by peacedog in

jw
friends

in another thread the question of whether or not the wt$ would "outright lie" was raised.. i happen to believe that they would in a heartbeat, although i agree that their preference is for sneaky misleading statements as opposed to outright lies.

regardless, here's a short list of some of what i consider incontrovertible evidence that yes, the wt$ would outright lie.. .

consider the following statements printed in the wt magazine:.

peacedog

Another:

*** w60 11/1 p. 648 Christians—Spectators or Participants? ***
Today, hundreds of thousands of Jehovah’s witnesses have responded to Jesus’ command to preach the Kingdom good news from house to house.

Anyone know the verse where Jesus commands us to preach from house to house??

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Would the WT$ outright lie?

by peacedog in

jw
friends

in another thread the question of whether or not the wt$ would "outright lie" was raised.. i happen to believe that they would in a heartbeat, although i agree that their preference is for sneaky misleading statements as opposed to outright lies.

regardless, here's a short list of some of what i consider incontrovertible evidence that yes, the wt$ would outright lie.. .

consider the following statements printed in the wt magazine:.

peacedog

More good points. Thanks everyone.

AnnOMaly: That's a good example of how inconsistent WT$ doctrine is. On one hand their convention in 1919 was world-wide notification that Jesus had (supposedly) returned and selected the WT$; on the other hand they didn't even discern that Jesus had (supposedly) returned at that time...