Posts by JCanon

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Do any jw pubs say "Due time has approached" ala Luke 21:8?

by Check_Your_Premises in

luke 21:8.

8 he said: "look out that you are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, i am he, and, the due time has approached.

just curious.

JCanon

Don't you get it? The fact that JCanon can see something there proves that he's the Messiah.
If only you have faith, you can see it too.

Sorry that's not it. Whether I claim to be the true Messiah or just a decoy Messiah, the doctrinal basis for the second coming is there in scripture. You don't have to agree. So let's forget about me and just look at the key texts of who the Messiah is SUPPOSED to be.

1. Zech 3, the messiah as high-priest Joshua who is now being crowned as king. This is the second coming, not the first since this is about a king-priest. But Zechariah has befouled garments? Why? They represent his past sins now forgiven because he gets new robes. How can the Messiah, innocent and pure, have sins? Answer, this is not the first coming Messiah who is perfect and sinless but the second who is full of past sins.

2. Compare the WAVE OFFERINGS NOW in the precise different natures of the body of Christ at the first (Passover) and second (Pentecost) comings. The first with all about unleavened bread. And what does unleavened bread represent? Oh everybody knows it is Christ's SINLESS body because leaven represents sin. But what about the second wave offering? Two loaves with leaven. How can we apply that to Christ's body if it is sinless? Answer is that this is the second coming not the first. The two wave offerings contrast the nature of Christ's physical body at the first and second coming. Thus we know by symbolism that the second coming is "with leaven". Christ is in the same type of body as all his followers are as they say so...1 John 3:2 "We do know that whenever he is made manifest we shall be like him, because we shall see him just as he is." Now please note Christ in an imperfect body with past sins fits the messiah context of Joshua the king-priest at the second coming being forgiven many sins.

3. Now fast forward to the "new robes of state" being given to Joshua and the new robes given to the prodigal son whom the Father is honoring with a banquet and slaughtering the fattened bull. This is the same feast as the "wedding feast" of the Messiah, a father giving the son a private feast. But he also gives him new robes and not just any but the finest, "the best one" meaning he becomes the heir. He also gets sandals on his feet and a ring on his hand. How Messianic does this have to be? But the "new robes" are the link to Zechariah 3. Thus the prodigal son is Joshua. Joshua presenting now with befouled garments is the prodigal son returning home at which time God grants him the messiahship over his older brother. They are all connected. The Bible emphasizes this THREE TIMES with three parables about the "lost sheep" and the "lost Drachma coin". That "lost sheep" is the Messiah. When Christ said, "If you do it to the least of these my brothers you do it to me." He meant specifically that he would be the LEAST! God made the LEAST the greatest. It is not a passing statement when God says at Daniel 4:17, to send a clear message to the nations and the world.... " 17 By the decree of watchers the thing is, and [by] the saying of holy ones the request is, to the intent that people living may know that the Most High is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind and that to the one whom he wants to, he gives it and he sets up over it even the lowliest one of mankind.” The lowliest of mankind? What does that mean? An idle chant? Christ was the son of King David, in what way was he the "lowliest of mankind"? He was a perfect man, a great teacher and healer! No, this is about the kingship, the second coming! When God implants Jesus into the body of the prodigal son, a man with many past sins whom God must forgive to make him the Messiah at the second coming.

4. Finally, Leolaia, how do you reconcile this! When Satan is kicked out of heaven, the woman representing Christ's secret followers have flee to a secret place where the Devil cannot get at them directly. He tries to drown them with propaganda though, but they don't listen because their faith is in the Bible, the solid truths that are like earth that swallows up the rivers of propaganda. But there she is giving birth to the Messiah who is 'caught up to God'. But wait! Wasn't that Jesus, Michael the Archangel already up in heaven and just kicked Satan out of Heaven? Yup! So how is it that the Messiah is just being born now by this earthly woman and yet he is a powerful angel in heaven? Are there two messiahs? YES! At this point they are. But they are combined! Thus the woman giving birth to the Messiah shows that Christ takes up the body of one of his secret followers. Her giving birth to the messiah means one of her members becomes the Messiah. We've learned above more details about him, but this is what is being illustrated. Two Messiahs at this critical point when Christ takes up the body of the prodigal son, Joshua with befouled garments. Using the "prodigal son" as the Messiah was God waking someone from the dead, or taking someone out of the trash (a dumpster) to clean them off and make them the messiah. Get it? The Messiah at the second coming manifests in a physical, imperfect body, not his perfect one forever given away in sacrifice. That's how it works out. And the "sign of the son of man" in the clouds is cloud imagery of the face of a sleeping black child to represent the nature of the second coming, seen by every one of the anointed who is looking for the correct Messiah.

5. Finally, there's the chronology of exactly WHEN he has to arrive that I've gone over a thousand times or more, but basically 1) 45 years after the "end of the gentile times" to fulfill 1335 days, meaning 45 years after the Jews regain Palestine. 2) Within a year of mid-70th week Passover to "end gift and sacrifice" during the last days, that Passover of the 70th week being April 6, 1993. Those two combined give a 4-month window for the Messiah between November 30, 1992 and April 6, 1993. 3) Finally 2520 years from the fall of Jerusalem to fulfill the "7 times". Believe revised ancient records if you want, but there are now academic besides Biblical reasons to believe the original fall of Jerusalem was much later than either the witnesses or the suriviving records claim, that is, not in 607BCE or 587BCE but in 529BCE. You can extract that dating directly from the VAT4956 which double-dates year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar to 511BCE! Why don't you look it up yourself? At any rate, 529BCE minus 2520 years is the sae as #1 and #2.

This is what the BIBLE teaches about the second coming of JESUS CHRIST. If you're not looking for this Messiah or somebody like him, then you're looking for the wrong Messiah, not the Biblical Messiah. And don't worry, everybody will understand and believe at some point all these things, I can see it happening now. But it will be too late for the majority. The photograph of the sign reproduced likely was in respose to the request, after the tree failed to produce after there years, to give it one more year, cultivate it and provide more fertilizer, so a little "sign" beyond the scriptures was provided to convince a few stragglers, likely who had seen the sign themselves.

As you can see, with this much clarity, wiggling out of a denial later on is going to be extremely difficult it not impossible....

JC

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Do any jw pubs say "Due time has approached" ala Luke 21:8?

by Check_Your_Premises in

luke 21:8.

8 he said: "look out that you are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, i am he, and, the due time has approached.

just curious.

JCanon

Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, including those who pierced him. All the tribes of the earth will mourn over him. Even so, Amen. (WEB)

Can this be more clear or should we parse it in such a way as to apply to a select group of 6 million who had to be told that they could "see" him?

Please note that "every eye" that sees him will mourn over him. And, why pray tell would they mourn over the Christ? What is there to mourn over?

Thus, as you noted, apparently those who mourn over him are sympathetic with him and recognize him and thus they are his followers.

Second he is "coming in the clouds" and thus they see him in the clouds. HOW? Cloud art! What they see is his face in the clouds! That's the "sign of the son of man" his face. Thus they all see him.

"Every eye will see him" relates to each one being shown this "sign of the son of man" in the clouds on the one hand. On the other, they get to see him either personally or on TV. When it says that his appearance is "like lightening" that can be seen from horizon to horizon, it means he will be seen in just a brief flash but over a large area. This is afforded by a television cameo appearance on national TV. That's how it's fulfilled. I know it sounds funny! But that's how he is seen from horizon to horizon by anyone who has a TV who was watching at that precise time (actually, there were about 3 or 4 reruns, so any time the show was run, but you get the idea.)

The "mourn him" because at this time, he is out of God's favor and a "dead" man, a CORPSE. But as the Bible says, the "eagles" would be watching over this corpse: "Where the CORPSE is, so the eagles will be." So they mourn him when he leaves god as the prodigal son as they await until he is brought back to life when he returns. This is about the physical person whose body Christ takes up at the second coming. And why? Because his own perfect body from the first time is given up forever for man's sins! He can hardly use it again. And since he doesn't have to be a perfect man at the second coming, he just borrows the body of one of his followers. It's just that simple. Some volunteer. The prodigal son person feels ashamed and runs back to God with hat in hand saying, "Oh please, just let me do anything! I'll be a slave, clean toilets, whatever, just let me back. To be the least person in your favor is better than all the world has to over." And God thinks, "Aha, a live one wanting to do anything for a second chance. Perhaps. I have this opening for somebody to do a lot of work as the MESSIAH, so you're it!"

So in this way, what is "low has become high, and what is high (the over-righteous GB of JW) becomes low!" The "stone the bulders rejected (the prodigal son) becomes the chief of the corner!" All that...it's all in scripture.

On a larger scale though, it's possible this will have a worldwide fulfillment when Christ is revealed to the world. They will all see him then and will cry over him because when he appears to the world he will be here to destroy it. So you can have it either way. The scriptures get fulfilled.

JC

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Do any jw pubs say "Due time has approached" ala Luke 21:8?

by Check_Your_Premises in

luke 21:8.

8 he said: "look out that you are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, i am he, and, the due time has approached.

just curious.

JCanon

http://www.geocities.com/siaxares/3part1.JPG

Funkyderek: There's nothing there. Unusually for a picture of cloud formations, there's nothing there that even remotely resembles anything. Could you perhaps use Photoshop to draw an outline around what you imagine you see there.

Okay, don't laugh at my hasty outline in "Paint" of this, but this is it. I'm posting this so all of you will get a big laugh and be amused. But as brief history, this is a scan of a photograph and I think the smaller image is clearer to see. As the 7th anniversary of the secnod comnig sign approached, a skyscape phototrapher who was in contact with me was given the specific date and time and expecting perhaps another sign to appear photographed her sky from 3-6 p.m. on this date. At one point, these three images came together which I recognized as the sleeping black child and the descending dove. Obviously the dove descending from heaven relates to the holy spirit in dove's form seen by John when Jesus was baptized. But please note, this is not simply a bird's head, nor a bird sitting on a wire. This is the entire bird with wings spead in a manner of descent in a direct line toward a body that appears to be coming out of a lake of fire. Now Israel, who is pictures by the "prodigal son" being rejected until the last moment is said to be like a "log snatched out of the fire" (Zech 3). Thus you see the incredible depiction of a fiery river that can't be missed and a stiffened body that seems to be rising out of the river in a parallel manner. The body is wrapped like a mummy as if it were thrown into the fire presumed dead. In this way, it's much like a log, now rising out of the fire.

A trivial note on this is that I didn't know what that really meant at first. I recognized the sleeping black child's face and knew what that meant plus the dove. But this figure in the lower right hand corner puzzled me. So I got some help from "others" as to what it meant.

The sleeping black child represents the concept that the prodigal son is dead when he leaves God's house before returning back home. Thus this is a child about to come back to life, being saved at the last moment like the log being snatched out of the fire and relates to the Messiah's second coming because it is as high-priest Joshua who represents the prodigal son with befouled garments who must get clean new garments. The befouled garments represent the Messiah's past sins as an imperfect man and leaving God as the prodigal son. But when he returns, the Father is so pleased he has returned he rejoices and puts him ahead of the older, faithful son and gives him a banquet. This is the same parallel to the Father giving the Messiah the private wedding feast. Note he also puts royal sandals on his feet and a ring on his hand and also gives him new robes, "the best one", meaning the "robes of state", the robes of the princely heir, the robe of the first-born. Thus again, the younger son is chosen over the older, like Jacob is chosen over Esau.

Per Acts, since the Ethiopian eunuch was baptized in a similar manner as Christ, saying "What is preventing me from getting baptized" (Christ told John "stop preventing me" and because the Etiopian eunuch was reading Isa. 53 which is about the physical form of the second coming Messiah, his physical nature, the the blackness of the sleeping child relates to his being a black man in appearance. For those reading that into all this, they believe that the Messiah would be an ordinary man who leaves God's house, that is, a witness who gets disfellowshipped for a while and after experiencing the world with disappointment tries to return to God, willing to do anything for God's favor again, even as a slave, not as a son. But instead, the Father gives him the highest honor because "there is more joy in heaven over a sinner who repents than in the 99 who did not sin", etc.

So this is what the three-part sign is about in direct relationship to the second coming messiah including his being 1) black, the prodigal son and thus undergoing spiritual death just before becoming the Messiah thus a sleeping/dead child being brought back to life at the last minute, like a log snatched out of the fire. The prodigal son Messiah is the high-priest now king Joshua who is connected with the log being snatched out of the fire as if he had been snatched out of the trash, a dumpster, with filthy clothes.

Now that's the theory behind the three symbolisms in the clouds which was seen by all the anointed and it appears (I believe) on page 98 of the "Revelation Book" where you see the sleeping black face in the hand of Jesus next to a bird-like figure. If anybody has the Revelation Book and want to scan it that would be wonderful. I have it somewhere on some disk but not handy and "Watchtower Observer" is down which also had it where I used to link. It's a mockery in the Revelation Book of anointed ones who believed that Christ would come in the form of an ordinary man at the second coming. I won't go into that here, but the second wave offering is WITH LEAVEN, the first without relating to UNFERMENTED CAKES relates to Jesus' SINLESS BODY, so what do you think the second wave offering of two loaves with leaven would relate to? The imperfect second coming, right? Thus those looking for the physical Messiah knows he must be a witness, and is a black man who had the life of the prodigal son and the "sign of the son of man" reflects those things.

This is why in Matthew 24 it says, "Where the CORPSE is, so the eagles will be". So the bird could be a dove or an eagle. The CORPSE relates to the body of Christ which dies during the prodigal son exploration phase and they "beat themselves in lamentation" over the Messiah because they see this spiritual death take place, but he is brought back at the last moment. NOW THINK! Why at the second coming are they crying over a DEAD MESSIAH? WHY? If Jesus was resurrected already and a the powerful Michael the Archangel again! Why is he dead again at the second coming? HE isn't really, but the body he uses at the second coming as the prodigal son dies. His "impalement" on the broadways of "Sodom" and "Egypt" relate to his being an Ethiopian eunuch.

Anyway, hope you can see the figures okay and this helps. I know some will discount the figures but funny to me I have a photograph of them taken on a specific date, what are the odds of that. Plus the image of the sleeping black child is in dark clouds! How ingenius was that to depict his blackness? The river of fire in the clouds is also magnificent "cloud art" as well. Well, I'm impressed.

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Do any jw pubs say "Due time has approached" ala Luke 21:8?

by Check_Your_Premises in

luke 21:8.

8 he said: "look out that you are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, i am he, and, the due time has approached.

just curious.

JCanon

So, did something happen in 1994 that I don't know about?

All the signs Jesus talked about including his secretive second coming as a thief was to happen before 1994. The kingdom occurs quietly at first so there would have been nothing of a "great observableness" nature that would have tipped you off unless you were part of the kingdom, in which case, you would have seen the "sign of the son of man" in the heavens.

JC

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Do any jw pubs say "Due time has approached" ala Luke 21:8?

by Check_Your_Premises in

luke 21:8.

8 he said: "look out that you are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, i am he, and, the due time has approached.

just curious.

JCanon

There's nothing there. Unusually for a picture of cloud formations, there's nothing there that even remotely resembles anything. Could you perhaps use Photoshop to draw an outline around what you imagine you see there.

I will, the image is sort of distorted after scanning from a photo. But that's not ALL!!

When I saw this, I recognized the face of the black child with the dove-eagle descending toward a body being lifted out of the lake of fire. Thus this is a THREE-PART IMAGE. Thing is, only after I saw this did I realize that this was the "sign" seen all along apparently by anoined ones and it got a cryptic reference in the "Revelation" Book. I'll look up the page. But it's where Christ is handing John the scroll and you can see the image of a black child in his hand with a cryptic flying bird nearby! So for those who have seen their own version of the sign, having it photographed like this is a big confirmation. I automatically expect those who don't want to see it to ignore or belittle it. That's fine. It was not meant for them.

But to think that of all the places and all the times this person just happened to know me and just happened to have a camera ready EXPECTING to see "something" on the 7th anniversary of the second coming on the very afternoon of the sign and to get this! I didn't even understand the body rising out of the river of fire until it was explained to me by others!! It represents a dead body, wrapped up and thrown into the valley of hinon which was an outside insinerator of trash and bodies that is then snatched out of the fire and saved!

So forget it. The duplication of the imagery is not that great but it's recognizable enough and meaningful specifically enough for the second coming not to be an accident. Plus if I had taken the picture myself and was promoting it, it would have been further dismissed and people would claim I made it up or took it on some other lucky day. Someone else had to VERIFY the date and it appeared in the photographer's backyard, a person who had the camera and was used to skyscape photography! What was she doing with the camera on that specific afternoon and why did she send me the pictures if we weren't expecting something?!!!!!!!! No way was this an accident. PLUS it's the same imagery in the "Revelation Book". Somebody look it up and publish it (Watchtower Observer had the imagery but went down for now). I'm kinda busy right now, but somebody can look up "subliminal art" and find the image of the sleeping black man's face in the palm of Christ. I'll explain the meaning later. In the meantime, I'll do my best to make some decent outlines with Paint -- I don't have PhotoShop! Just give me a little time to find all this stuff. Thanks.

See ya later!!!

JC

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Do any jw pubs say "Due time has approached" ala Luke 21:8?

by Check_Your_Premises in

luke 21:8.

8 he said: "look out that you are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, i am he, and, the due time has approached.

just curious.

JCanon

e.g., JCanon woke up in a dumpster, became Jesus Christ, saw a cloud formation in the sky
I`ve had those Sunday mornings too (damn you, Jack Daniels)

Hey, everybody has their delusions and flights of grandeur but this is BIBLICAL! Matthew 24 requires that at the second coming the "sign of the son of man" was to appear!!! This was similar to John the Baptist who though accepting Christ already was given a sign from heaven to confirm that Jesus was the Messiah. So if Christ really did appear in 1992 then the "sign of the son of man" should have appeared as well.

Well, it did. The"sign" was in the form of "cloud sign"! Ha, ha! But what is nice about that is that you can photograph cloud art!!!! 7 years later this sign appeared again and was photographed!!! I have copies of it! And here it is!!!! The SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN!!! Do you want proof? You wanna see it? Huh? Huh?!!!!! Well here it is!!! Let's see you DENY THIS!!!!

Oops! Got my gambling lucky-I'm-the-Messiah "signs" mixed up with gambling wins!!!.........Sorry!!!

I'm SOOOOO COFUSED about all this!!!

I need help! I need medications! Better yet. I NEED A DRINK!!!

JC

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Do any jw pubs say "Due time has approached" ala Luke 21:8?

by Check_Your_Premises in

luke 21:8.

8 he said: "look out that you are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, i am he, and, the due time has approached.

just curious.

JCanon

Hi Leolaia....

It represented the cut-off date for the Second Coming, the sign of the Son of Man in heaven, and the rejection of the Society as the F&DS, all of which were fulfilled between November 30, 1992 and April 6, 1993 (e.g., JCanon woke up in a dumpster, became Jesus Christ, saw a cloud formation in the sky, the Governing Body was rejected from God's Heavenly Organization and Fred Franz died), so the prophecy was fulfilled! According to JCanon.

That's almost right, but just to give a fair context. The 1335 days which is 45 days beyond 1290 days past the "end" fulfills that prophecy. The "end of the gentile times" was not in 1914 but in 1947 when the gentiles returned possession of Palestine to the Jews! The "good news" by now that reached around the globe as witnessed by NH Knorr, then president of the WTS embarking upon a round-the-world speaking tour!. If you add 45 years to 1947 you get 1992. That is the Biblical date for the second coming.

The "last hour" which is the 12th hour is when the "man of lawlessness" must be revealed before the Messiah comes. The hours of work in the harvest are 7 years each since a half-hour is 42 months (3-1/2 years). Thus the vineyard workers, another reference to the work of the witnesses begins with 1914 for 11 hours which is 77 years ending in 1991. Thus the "last hour" the "12th hour" is from 1991 to 1998.

The man of lawlness must be revealed before the second coming, however, which is in 1992. So sometimes between 1991 and November 30, 1992 the man of lawnessness must be revealed, that is, the GB of JWs must be identified as the "man of lawlessness". This was done by a letter to them telling them they had been abandoned by Jehovah and they were the man of lawlesness 45 days before the second coming on November 10, 1992. So this, yes was specifically fulfillled!

The "dumpster" was used only to symbolize and above-ground tomb as Jesus was placed in and to represent that the second-coming Messiah, the king-priest like Melchizedek represented by high-priest Joshua at Zechariah 3 has befouled garments when he becomes king. Note that Joshua has befouled garments and is given new garments when he is anointed as king. To harmonize with that, the modern-day Messiah spends a night in a dumpster and emerges as the Messiah, obviously with befouled garments having been in the trash. This corresponds with Jesus being in an above-the-ground tomb considered full of inequity in the grave for three days and three nights. This is related to the "sign of Jonah" connected with the Christ where Jonah, likewise is spewed out from the belly of a fish, obviously with befouled garments as well, but now repentant. Jonah, like the prodigal son, who also was given new garments, ran away from God's service and his responsibilities at first and sinned against God in so doing. But after repenting, God forgave him and still gave him the kingdom. The experience of the prodigal son and Jonah are linked. The dumpser experience was lke the whale experience of Jonah. The Messiah emerges in a filthy condition but is cleaned up.

The dumpster was not an accident but symbolic that god takes the Messiah out of the filth and then gives him glory. It represents the resurrection of Christ from the grave, considered to be a place of filth. This is also applicable to the natural Jews who rejected God but after the "great tribulation" (the Holocaust) get forgiven by God and become his chosen people again. Thus the "prodigal son messiah" is also the natural Jews.

So it's all BIBLICAL it's all there. The Father gives the Messiah a banquet...the Father gives the prodigal son a banquet. High-priest Joshua gets "new robes" just like the prodigal son does. The parallels are there. There connections are there. It's not my fault if some people refuse to connect the dots.

JC

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Do any jw pubs say "Due time has approached" ala Luke 21:8?

by Check_Your_Premises in

luke 21:8.

8 he said: "look out that you are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, i am he, and, the due time has approached.

just curious.

JCanon

He he, never mind JCanon, he`s like a JW with a twist. He believes the WT was the house of God, but that they have gone astray, and are now apostates (evildoers in the temple of God).

Fine to disagree with me, but please don't misquote me (smile) ... my APPLICATION is the parable of the "wheat and weeds" to this organization. The parable says the master planted good seeds but then before the seeds came up the Devil planted weeds. When the blades of wheat appeared so did the weeds. What to do? The decision was to let both grow together until the harvest when the two would be separated. This is the context of an organization that would operate with God's persmission that was known to be partially corrupt.

The weeds were the Freemasonry influence of Russel and Rutherford who showed up early in the organization and had such influence that to remove them would have disrupted the organization at this early stage and some of the wheat would have been lost. It was better to let the organization grow with some of the weed-like influence and then separate the wheat out later. This organizatin would fulfill preaching the "good news" world wide though some of their teachings would prove to be false.

So the dates were right to emphasize, yes 1874 and 1914, but the specific understanding was not correct. That's the wheat-weed nature of the organization. Partial truth.

Yes, JWs are God's chosen house and with them is the advanced truth though some false teachings. They understand, for instance that Christ is Michael the archangel in constrast with most of Christendom. They understand that a paradise earth is part of the end purpose of God for the earth though some, 144K will have heavenly life! They understand the chronology of scripture that 2520 years from the fall of Jerusalem marks the second coming, but they have the date for the fall of Jerusalem wrong. They know that 455 BCE begins the 70 weeks prophecy but think it's the 20th of Artaxerxes rather than the 1st of Cyrus. So you see, they have a brilliant understanding of one aspect of scripture but it's not absolutely accurate in application. But that was prophesied.

The END RESULT of this wheat-weed organizatino would not be that Christ would kick the weeds out of the organization in the end and seize control over a cleansed organization, but that instead he would remove the sheep from the fold and have them join a larger fold of his elsewhere and would abandon the organization to the apostate leadership.

So yes, the witness organization is the "temple organization" but it's leadership was prophesied to become apostate! The "man of lawlessness" thus rises up in to the temple of THE GOD (Jehovah) and makes itself a god. That is the description of the JW Governing Body who makes itself a god by claiming to be the "faithful and discrete slave" and God's "channel." They get too preoccupied with growth, numbers and new one-day Kingdom Halls and neglect the important spiritual things. In the end, Christ rejects them.

BUT IT IS IN THE BIBLE! The temple organization becomes apostate in the end!! So that the fact that witnesses have some false prophecies fulfills that part of the prophecy about the temple organization which is abandoned in the end.

The apostacy of the temple organization is Biblical! I didn't make it up. There is a Biblical basis for it.

JC

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Do any jw pubs say "Due time has approached" ala Luke 21:8?

by Check_Your_Premises in

luke 21:8.

8 he said: "look out that you are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, i am he, and, the due time has approached.

just curious.

JCanon

Yeah but they said it about 1914 falsely. It wasnt the due time. It wasn't true. So they were true prophets who described something that didn't happen?

This is the way it works. They preached about 1874 and 1914 and related that these were critical dates related to the second coming. Their specific understanding about the dates was not precise but some of it was. Now the complication comes with this group being permitted to be a "weed/wheat" organization. In other words, the temple organization began and as the new blades showed up it was discovered it have weeds in it! The choice was to try to separate the weeds from the wheat at this time, but it was too dangerous! Better to "let both grow togehter until the harvest" and then separate. Which means that the accurate would be preached with the inaccurate. Take 1914 and 1874.

The "signs" that begin the last generation must begin with a world war. 1914 began a world war, so to begin the last "generation" leading to Christ 1914 is an absolutely good date! 1914 does begin the "last generation" so that was a good and still true reference for 1914. What is WRONG about 1914 per the witnesses is two things 1) It is not the end of the gentile times (1947) and 2) it is not the the second coming (1992).

But ESSENTIALLY they did the important thing which is sound the warning that 1914 began the last generation.

1874: 1874, in case you noticed is 120 years from 1994, which ends a generation of 80 years from 1914. The "generation of Noah" is from 1874 to 1994 so it is RELEVANT they pointed it out. They first said Christ's second coming was in 1874 and amazingly apparently as late as 1927, but 1874 is still a good date for 1) the last generation of Noah from 1847 to 1994 and also a reference for when "Michael stands up" (Daniel 12:1). Michael first stands up and starts beginning his parousia in 1874, including selecting the temple organizatino which appears in 1886. By 1914 the last generation begins. So these dates, 1914 and 1874 are significant Biblical landmarks that were emphasized by the witnesses though their specific understanding may have changed later on but they are still important dates. This is the "mixture" of the wheat and weeds. The right dates with the wrong meanings. ????

I know this is confusion, la-la-la-la-la! and everybody likes things in clear plain reference and in black in white but that's not how it is, sorry. It's complex, convoluted and cryptic. Witnesses are part of this but a complex part of it.

JC

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Do any jw pubs say "Due time has approached" ala Luke 21:8?

by Check_Your_Premises in

luke 21:8.

8 he said: "look out that you are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, i am he, and, the due time has approached.

just curious.

JCanon

Well, again, this is a matter of interpretation. Was Christ saying that only false prophets would be saying "I am he" and "The Time has Approached" so don't be misled by anyone making these statements since the true prophets would not be saying this?

OR

Was Christ saying/implying instead that indeed, the true prophets would be saying "I am he" and "The Time has Approached" but that other false prophets would be saying the very same things so don't be misled by just anyone saying these things. In other words, make sure you're following the right prophet who would be basically declaring these same things as would other false prophets, thus don't be misled by just anyone saying these things?

If the former is the correct understanding, that only the false prophets would be declaring the "last days" then the witnesses would be false prophets for sure, since that is one of their primary themes, claiming "I am he" meaning they are God's chosen "spiritual Israel" and the "time has approached--Look out for 1874 and 1914 and 1975!" But if this is about sorting out the true prophets from the false ones who might be saying the same things generally, but with say different dates and different circumstances, then you have to go farther and compare to see if the witnesses' doctrine follows the Bible specifically or if they deviate from scripture and are false prophets.

On the other hand, the Bible clearly indicates that his chosen ones would be preaching the "good news" during the last days on an international basis before the "end" comes. So, one wonders if that "good news" would exclude any mention about the last days or the time approaching? So more than likely what Christ was saying was that many people during these times would be preaching "last days are here" type sermons just as the anointed to preach the "good news" would be, so don't be misled by this since many would be saying these things, make sure you have the right group.

Jehovah's witnesses ARE the correct group. They are the chosen ones to preach the "good news" and 1914 indeed began the "last generation" from 1914 to 1994 (80 years) which began, as prophesied with "nation vs nation, kingdom vs kingdom", the first sign, that is a WORLD WAR, whch was WWI.

Thus since lots of groups would be preaching end-times sermons and claiming to be the right religion, it was important to make sure you found the right one and not be misled by just anyone preaching this, not everyone.

JC