Anon2 Hey, I just want to say I am really sorry about your poor Aunt that died alone. This is what is so wrong with the borg, taking the love of family away from that older generation when they told them not to have kids/marry was the worst thing they ever did. They don't do it now because without the born-ins (and the threat of shunning)their no.'s would plummet.
Diogenesister
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We are not thinking folks. What is the best way to get JW's to check out the events in Australia.
by James Mixon intell our jw family members, door knockers, and stand sitters that you were very impressed.
by the branch overseer and other elders in australia, they gave a fine witness.. so what will happen, they will tell their friends the brothers in australia gave a fine.
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Why the Bible is a poor moral compass
by Diogenesister inplease don't click the link if you feel details of abuse would upset you http://jwleaks.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/letter-to-the-director-of-public-prosecutions-from-steven-unthank-in-relation-to-discontinuing-the-criminal-trial-february-2012-pdf.pdf.
looking at some of the events that led up to the rc in australia i came across this letter, submitted to the d.p.p.
by steven upthank, in relation to the crown discontinuing prosecution of the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.
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So sacred in fact he decreed thousands of pints of the stuff ripped from its living, sentient, terrified owners so that the tribes get to party and the Lord gets to "smell a sweet savour". Holy Holy Holy. Indeed. -
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A question the Chair (Mclellan) may want to ask G. Jackson
by Indian Larry inmr. jackson, we have heard testimony from mr spinks and mr. obrien that women will never have leadership positions in the congregation.
as i understand it mr. jackson, you interpret revelation 7 to mean that only 144,000 will go to heaven and that these 144,000 will rule the earth.
i also understand that your organization teaches that women are part of this "remnant" of 144,000. can you explain why jesus christ is willing to put women in leadership over the entire earth but you are not willing to permit them to have anything to do with helping victims of pedophiles in your congregation?
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Secretslaveclass The heavenly one where it is sexless and all serve equally.
I forgot yes of course they are "not women"in heaven are they?
How about asking why the 144,000 is a literal no. but the bit about being virgin men is just symbolic
Of course we know women were included in the 144,000 because the bible students were a bit short on numbers initially and had to include everyone, stroking their ego's enough to get them to go peddle the literature
I realize this is unproven but the word is that Russell's wife, who had major imput into the 'Bible Students'as an editor and board member, left Russell due to infidelity, specifically paedophilia.
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A question the Chair (Mclellan) may want to ask G. Jackson
by Indian Larry inmr. jackson, we have heard testimony from mr spinks and mr. obrien that women will never have leadership positions in the congregation.
as i understand it mr. jackson, you interpret revelation 7 to mean that only 144,000 will go to heaven and that these 144,000 will rule the earth.
i also understand that your organization teaches that women are part of this "remnant" of 144,000. can you explain why jesus christ is willing to put women in leadership over the entire earth but you are not willing to permit them to have anything to do with helping victims of pedophiles in your congregation?
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Mr. Jackson, we have heard testimony from Mr Spinks and Mr. OBrien that women will never have leadership positions in the congregation. As I understand it Mr. Jackson, you interpret Revelation 7 to mean that only 144,000 will go to heaven and that these 144,000 will rule the earth. I also understand that your organization teaches that women are part of this "remnant" of 144,000. Can you explain why Jesus Christ is willing to put women in leadership over the entire earth but you are not willing to permit them to have anything to do with helping victims of pedophiles in your congregation?
Nice one Indian Larry & Micky
PS anyone who needs annonymous mail sent anywhere (re ttatt issues) PM me and I will do my best to do your bidding
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If you could ask Geoffrey Jackson one question that he had to answer what would it be?
by jwleaks inwhat question would you ask geoffrey jackson, as a member of the governing body of jehovah's witnesses, to answer?
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jw leaks.
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How does this reconcile with the Faithful Slaves statement:
-- g70 4/22 p. 8 Changes That Disturb People
"Yes, millions of persons have been shocked to learn that things they were taught as being vital for salvation are now considered by their church to be wrong. Have you, too, felt discouragement or even despair because of what is happening in your church? A businessman in Colombia expressed the effect the changes have had on many."Tell me," he asked, "how can I have confidence in anything? How can I believe in the Bible, in God, or have faith? Just ten years ago we Catholics had the absolute truth, we put all our faith in this. Now the pope and our priests are telling us this is not the way to believe any more, but we are to believe 'new things.' How do I know the 'new things' will be the truth in five years?"
You've got to be kidding me...they had the gall to print that????????????
I would also ask him does he really think the holy spirit chose an egotistical, agressive and spiteful alcoholic in 1919, later to be the sole conduit of God's holy spirit. If religous dogma should never change, should JW's adhere to the following
If the organs [of your body] are diseased, heal them by correcting your diet. Avoid the use of aluminum cooking utensils and alum baking powders as they are injurious to your health, poisoning your blood stream... Sleep on the right side or flat on your back, with the head toward the north so as to get benefit of the earth’s magnetic currents. Avoid serum inoculations as they pollute the blood stream with their filthy pus.... Stop chewing gum, as you need the saliva for your food. [27]
But the dog-rabies-vaccine imposition is the latest.... Rabies! When it has been shown conclusively that there is no such thing as rabies![28]
The earlier in the forenoon you take the sun bath, the greater will be the beneficial effect, because you get more of the ultra-violet rays, which are healing. [29]
It has never been proven that a single disease is due to germs. 30
Quite likely there is some connection between the violation of human blood [vaccines] and the spread of demonism.... [31]
Milk is the greatest curative food known. [32]
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If you could ask Geoffrey Jackson one question that he had to answer what would it be?
by jwleaks inwhat question would you ask geoffrey jackson, as a member of the governing body of jehovah's witnesses, to answer?
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jw leaks.
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Thankful for jehovahs-witness.com
by jw07 ini'm still 'in' and this website is the only thing that's been keeping me sane for a long while.. knowing that i'm not alone, the success stories, and the constant update of breaking news that provides hope such as the exposure of the organisation at the hands of the royal commission makes me happy while i'm stuck in this dark hole.
that's so especially today when i'm dealing with a sht storm of personal issues and the pretending that everything is fine is just rubbing pepper into my wounds.
i'm thankful for this website and all you beautiful people.
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Hang in there mate...if there are any questions you need answering will do our best to help, it can feel like the most painful place ...is there any chance of finding a professional to talk to? To find suggestions to lessen your stress right now? Remember though it will pass, all the negative feelings will pass at some stage. -
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The Watchtower Corporation says that they have the highest form of righteous spirituality for humanity them alone ....Really ?
by Finkelstein inthe wts for the longest time has been making a claim that their organization is the truest and purest form of spirituality toward god, yet throughout those years, decades and now century, the wts has been notably corrupt, devious and maligning in its expressed doctrines.
most of that has obviously has come from the earnest endeavor to proliferate the literature the organization printed and published themselves.. in spite of that fact people seem to be afraid to question this opposing affirmation and just let it all pass irregardless.. one of things that eventually woke myself up years ago was the acknowledgment that the wts was being untruthful and devious in making up the 1975 doctrine.
the 6000 years dating calculation of mankind's existence was actually used 60 years previously by the wts.
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Couldn't agree more. OBrien and Spinks are company men all the way. I guess their reasoning is, well, at least we are not working for I G Farben..or the company that made agent orange or Bratz dolls 😜 etc etc It could be worse..couldn't it????!!! -
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Please help with RC highlight suggestions!
by Lemonp inplease could you help out by listing what your highlight was?
example: "my highlight was when angus told o'brien that he had made a false statement".
your suggestions could be added to the list on the reddit thread, please have a look to see any that you feel are missing!
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Hi, I couldn't see listed the wicked scene when Blowfield elder (the red faced one with the white hair ) suddenly twigged that it was morally repugnant not to consider the safety of "worldly" children. His expression was priceless.
I suppose he's a bit like his hero Jehoover in that sense, not giving a rats a*#e about kids come armaggedon.
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Why the Bible is a poor moral compass
by Diogenesister inplease don't click the link if you feel details of abuse would upset you http://jwleaks.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/letter-to-the-director-of-public-prosecutions-from-steven-unthank-in-relation-to-discontinuing-the-criminal-trial-february-2012-pdf.pdf.
looking at some of the events that led up to the rc in australia i came across this letter, submitted to the d.p.p.
by steven upthank, in relation to the crown discontinuing prosecution of the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.
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Please don't click the link if you feel details of abuse would upset you http://jwleaks.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/letter-to-the-director-of-public-prosecutions-from-steven-unthank-in-relation-to-discontinuing-the-criminal-trial-february-2012-pdf.pdf
Looking at some of the events that led up to the RC in Australia I came across this letter, submitted to the D.P.P. by Steven Upthank, in relation to the Crown discontinuing prosecution of the Governing Body of Jehovahs Witnesses. Steven has suffered shunning due to his concern and determination to help the children within the christian congregation of Jehovahs Witnesses who have been the victims of sexual abuse.
Some of the details are bizzare and my question are in relation to the prevelence of child sexual abuse in the JW and the Catholic church IN PARTICULAR. Both these churches share the supression of normal human sexual desires. In the case of Catholicism the clergy are prevented from marrying. The JW are only discouraged from marrying, but if they do strict rules govern what they can and cannot do with their partners. In fact, as became clear during the Royal Commission, that which may occur between consenting adults , if it conflicts with the bible, including lying and adultary (we know also masterbation and homosexuality to be on the list)is considered SO MUCH WORSE THAN CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE. The only mention of which in the bible occurs in such examples as Numbers 31, where God , through the words of his prophet Moses, actively encourages such behaviour. No wonder it is so low on their list of priorities, when they take their moral cue from bronze age tribes who worship a God that places rules on cruel animal sacrifice at the pinicle of all knowledge he could impart to us.
So my basic premise is this
1) If you suppress human sexuality do people express it in covert ways. Bizzare behaviour (eg the lego) or with kids, which is not so likely to be discovered. If discovered it's not dealt with severely because it is not expressly forbidden in the bible
2)Belonging to a religon that specifically gives no voice to women and children and particularly sees them as "less than," are you going to attract men that seek to abuse women and children because the power balance is so very unequal.
Lets face it it, terrible things happened in biblical times BECAUSE women and children had no redress (not to mention slaves and prisoners of war etc ).We have moved on since then which is why we no longer look to the Bible for moral guidence. The BIBLE, as a MORAL COMPASS is DEFICIENT in almost every way, which why mankind has had to create superior guides such as THE UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS. Mankind 10 Jehovah 0