Posts by Diogenesister

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Overlapping generation pushed me to the brink

by Anator in

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hello, i haven't posted for a number of years.

i've been struggling for years of wrestling in my mind regarding the organization.

i guess the big thing for me to push me over the edge is the generation overlapping thingy.

Diogenesister

This is sin of omission. They don't mention what the early Bible Students thought was significant about 1914. Like you said, they predicted Armageddon to break out in 1914. When WWI broke out, they thought they were right. Lol. Funny to think about now. What must they have thought when world conditions settled back down into relativepeace.

This entire organization was founded on false prophecy.

Agree with you, but I would like to add as far as I understand it is that Rutherford didn't decide all of this until 1923 In other words he didn't discern anything in 1914 - they were expecting armaggedon in 1914 & it did not happen.

Russell died disappointed the year after in 1915.

In 1923 Rutherford looked back at the first world war & Russells prophecy failure and made the prediction that the ancient worthies would return in 1925 (Abraham etc) and that that jesus returned invisably in 1914 - I submit that neither of these events happened.

The whole 1914 thing was decided after the fact. Well we can all be wise in hindsight!It hardly makes us prophetic!

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On the realization you will not "live forever"

by problemaddict 2 in

something struck me last week.

i have been dealing with what i can only describe as a fear of death.

i'm not old and not in bad health.

Diogenesister

Crazy SaintB ! Or quickly by having your nuts bitten off by a Laplander?

Remind me not to go to Lapland 😧

I have always liked Graveyards, you can understand why some cultures talk bout going to the ancestors - its a kind of nice idea.

Seeing the little ones',or even those who have not lived a long life the under 60's even, is a hard thing to take. I think that is something I will always rail against, the injustice of it.

I just wanna freeze cyrogenically my head & get taken out once every 100 years to just know WHATS GOING ON! Cant stand the thought of not knowing. I dont mind just being a head , always was a bit head on istic.😝

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Mass disassociation pact...

by freemindfade in

any takers?

we can pick a date and pull the plug?

lol .

Diogenesister

I am in !

Petezahut like the "sans" term, never heard it before - of course sans means without in french a negative word so a good acronym.

I am deeply sorry about your family member & I feel the blood issue should take precedence when listing grievences. It seems to me its easy for the brooklyn 7 & their ilk to issue blood legalisms given that, in the main,its young women giving birth & kids (who have low blood volume & likely to have lukaemia & haemaphillia)who are most likely to suffer. Like all watchtowers obsessions the young come off worse.

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where shall we go

by Sabin in

yesterday i read something that hurt my heart.

at a talk given by a brother lyman swingle ( i apologize if i am stepping out of line by using this) he said "that if you leave the jw ( i find it difficult to refer to it as the truth now days) you may as well go jump off a bridge".

this i think is disgraceful talk to say to any body let alone an audience in which children are present.

Diogenesister

abusive partners who tell their partner they won't be wanted by anyone else besides them.

Thats an interesting anology illuminated and a very apt one, really throws the cruel behaviour of Wtbts into sharp relief.

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Are the GB very intelligent men with higher than average IQ? Or are they stupid men who were put in their position by sheer “LUCK”

by John Aquila in

are the governing body of the wt wickedly smart with extremely high iq or are they leaders of the wt because they were at the right place at the right time.

(in other words, pure luck )-think lottery.

ive seen them talk in jwtv and you can never convince anyone in the whole world that these guys are in the same category as someone smart or cunning like jim simons who founded renaissance technologies or bill gates.

Diogenesister

DOC The WTS is reactionary.

Amen to that!

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Are the GB very intelligent men with higher than average IQ? Or are they stupid men who were put in their position by sheer “LUCK”

by John Aquila in

are the governing body of the wt wickedly smart with extremely high iq or are they leaders of the wt because they were at the right place at the right time.

(in other words, pure luck )-think lottery.

ive seen them talk in jwtv and you can never convince anyone in the whole world that these guys are in the same category as someone smart or cunning like jim simons who founded renaissance technologies or bill gates.

Diogenesister

I don't think Geoff Jackson is stupid in the sense of a low iQ I think it's probably a little higher than average but as already pointed out his lack of education lets him down & puts him at a disadvantage.

He almost certainly started out as a genuine believer & missionary in the early days but with time has started to enjoy the kudos of being an "anointed" overeer & the closer to the seat of power he got the more of a brown-nose company man he became. You would have to be something of a non entity to be accepted by the others anyway.

I believe thats the nicest thing you can say for any of them. There are one or two exeptions like antony morris who probably bullied his way to the top or more likely just out 'hard core witnessed' everybody to earn his position.

What I find interesting is when these dudes decided they were anointed. I say that because with the younger ones, when they would have got baptised back in the 70's or even early 80's it was almost a given that you had to be really old WW2 generation AT LEAST to be amongst the 144,000. I know that one of the GB only decided he was anointed when be started getting close to the seat of power - maybe it was Ted Jaracz or Jack Barr, anyway the point is it would be interesting to find out. For instance Jackson was baptised at 13 in the early 70's & I really find it hard to believe he immediately claimed to be anointed. I guarantee they get the 'nod from God'only when it becomes apparent that it would be "politically useful" to be of the anointed class. I didn't know anyone under 60 in the 80's who was anointed. It was just accepted that the end being so near the anointed had to be elderly.

So bright?No. Educated?Never.Calculated careerists ?Yes.

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The gratitude of Jehovah's witnesses - unbelievable

by punkofnice in

i have to rant...i know you'll listen and understand.. i drove over to my son's place.

down one side of the road cars were parked making only room for one vehicle to travel.

here was a car that didn't have right of way approaching.

Diogenesister

stan livedeath12 days ago

you could have clipped his car Punk---see if he would still have shunned you ha ha

LOL stanlivedeath so true,
Like

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"Why did Jehovah give us needs?" - An example of JW thinking...

by Goldenash in

so i had a conversation with my brother some time ago.

i don't entirely remember how, exactly, but the following subject came up:.

"i wonder why god gave his earthly creatures needs... you know, like how we need water to drink, food to eat, air to breath, etc.

Diogenesister

goldenash This is a really interesting post. It really is quite mindblowing the responses both yourself & mimimimi got. I think your understanding of why they think that way is quite right.

My husband has been reading a book about mexico & the history of the first nation peoples, particularly the religous practices many of them seemingly barbaric in the extreme like blood sacrifice of virgins etc The theory being that life was so very tough the gods must have been cruel and so only the outpouring of good blood would slake their thirst & keep them from visiting destruction. As the mexican area is so active geologically volcanoes earthquakes etc the people felt they must have merited punishment from gods when destruction appeared in this form.

How similar to the Hebrew god of the dessert - after all life must have been similarly hard in the dessert.

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When you read this Richard Glossip will probably be dead.

by The Rebel in

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friends

how do i feel about this?.

too much doubt.. shame on you people who are responsible for putting richard to death.. richard is scheduled to be put to death in oklahoma at 3pm on september 16th by lethal injection.

i have followed this case and feel like so many people very bad about this.

Diogenesister

Until America grows out of the death penalty like the rest of the civilised world, they might as well enjoy it while they can.

Snuggle we are on the same page

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When you read this Richard Glossip will probably be dead.

by The Rebel in

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friends

how do i feel about this?.

too much doubt.. shame on you people who are responsible for putting richard to death.. richard is scheduled to be put to death in oklahoma at 3pm on september 16th by lethal injection.

i have followed this case and feel like so many people very bad about this.

Diogenesister

This court has never held that the constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a fair trial, BUT IS LARTER able to convince a court that he is actually innocent" Antonia Scalla ( Supreme Court)

Yup. Thats the law - the verdict of a case is not the issue, a case will be heard on appeal because of a point of law

Scary stuff. It's the mothers I feel for