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  JWs and legalized Marijuana

  by jws in

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  i know this was probably covered before in some post, but i was curious.

  what is the jw stance on recreational marijuana use in the states where it has been legalized?.

  i would suspect smoking it, like cigarettes, would probably still be against the rules, but there are ways to use it that aren't damaging to your lungs.

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  Oh yeah I can see

  Greeks ( boo hiss) = intellectuals = Pharmakia = Spiritism

  Like

  Masturbation =covetousness = idolatory

  Yup...same cock-eyed logic So I can believe it!!

  See: jwfacts.com on Masturbation

  ( more like mass- perturbation!
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  Bethel Library moving to Warwick, are older items 'vanishing'

  by Lostandfound in

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  in a post re dates etc from fatfreek reference was made to huge library at bethel with items dating back to pastor rs day.

  like the year 1975 which has vanished from wt theology, are gb using move to let them put all old and inconvenient items into some sort of cold storage and off library shelves.

  already the revelation book has gone from the orgs website, and that was quite recent relatively, we studied it 3 times at congregation book study, yet now, like type and antitype it mysteriously was never there.

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  LostandfoundI think you have a very good point. They had no worries offloading the old folks before the move to Warwick...don't want them making the place look untidy, do we? I wonder if they'll "loose" a few old text books on the move over, particularly the more embarrassing ones. Oh I know there are other copies, but those are in the 'world' and verboten to the faithfull.
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  jehovah witness elder molest his daughter ... Lynn Gardner

  by jaydee in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boizyklif4q.

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  Powerful. My heart breaks for this woman, I hope she has found some peace from doing this incredibly brave interview.
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  Day 1 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Opening Statements and Motions in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  2. child-abuse

  news bulletin: fessler versus watchtower – opening statements and motions in jehovah’s witness child abuse trial – day 1. .

  posted on february 12, 2017. city hall, philadelphia, pennsylvania.

  on a cold philadelphia morning the 7th of february, 2017, stephanie fessler walked into the court of common pleas of pennsylvania, first judicial district, civil trial division.

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  Dead right sparky one, in fact they used to term ministerial servants " deacons" at one point, so much for the lay persons claim. How many times have they insisted they are ministers of religion even....especially whilst trying to avoid various civic and military duties.

  Elders = vicars/priest/pastor

  CO = bishop

  Branch staff = archbishop

  GB = ( you guessed it) Popes!
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  The Fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  ever since i came out of the witnesses, i've become very political.. i've heard lots of arguments back and forth for many things.. in the u.s. there is the argument that it is "racist" to want to deny entry to muslims.

  while there is freedom of religion, there is also the very valid concern of maintaining democracy and a justice system that is based on modern values.we as exjw's constantly quote the pew center for statistics on jw's such as: they are last place in the us for members of a religion that go to university, and second-last for poverty levels of members of a religion.

  we accept those statistics and mention them as proof of how damaging the jw's are.now, let's use the same center for some very scary statistics on islam:http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/22/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/.

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  good post I loveTTATT2 , the western democratic nations are going to rue the day they let in so many muslims.

  What I don't understand Smiddy is that we in Britain ( I know you're a Brit)and France have had fairly large Muslim communities for at least 60 years - in some places they are in the majority. We haven't had any *problems, so why all the trouble now?

  I have my own theories, but even so.

  *Edited to say no problems specific to their being Muslim immigrants . Certainly didn't hear anything about the "S"(sharia) word.
  
  
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  The Fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ever since i came out of the witnesses, i've become very political.. i've heard lots of arguments back and forth for many things.. in the u.s. there is the argument that it is "racist" to want to deny entry to muslims.

  while there is freedom of religion, there is also the very valid concern of maintaining democracy and a justice system that is based on modern values.we as exjw's constantly quote the pew center for statistics on jw's such as: they are last place in the us for members of a religion that go to university, and second-last for poverty levels of members of a religion.

  we accept those statistics and mention them as proof of how damaging the jw's are.now, let's use the same center for some very scary statistics on islam:http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/22/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/.

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  Rainbow _Troll Can you tell us anymore about these " satanic verses"? About these daughters of Allah please?
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  What has been your own personal experience of shunning?

  by UnshackleTheChains in

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  i am interested in finding out on a small scale the extent of which shunning has impacted on you personally.. my own experience is that when i faded about 12 years ago.

  the woman whose house the book study was held at (and who was virtually a neighbour) walked right past me in my own street.

  i remember it so well.

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  Baby girl30 So much so that they have walked right by me and literally acted like I do not exist. It's really pathetic...

  
  

  Unshaklethechains God help those with low self esteem and those with mental health problems, those especially who are young. I mean for God's sake one poster has experienced shunning since 16!!!!

  This just makes me rage, and I'm a mild mannered type in person.

  But I genuinely believe that parents who do that - walk past their kids, shun from 16, shun the depressed, the Ill, the grandkids, the pregnant hell anykids, should be charged by the government for a full course of psychotherapy for their children no matter their age and should be publicly named And shamed as unfit parents. Ooooo how I wish I could prosecute them for child abandonment!!! We are all our parents children.

  Monsters!
  
  
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  Spiritual paradise or proverbial straitjacket?

  by UnshackleTheChains in

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  noas a current or past jehovah's witness, do you / or did you feel part of a spiritual paradise with full liberty in christ as the watchtower society/organisation describes?.

  or do you / did you feel you were wearing a proverbial straitjacket in the sense you feel / felt restricted and controlled by the watchtower society / organisation?.

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  Rainbow_Troll That's truly horrific, thank goodness you were mature enough and educated enough not to take his vile insults seriously....imagine him saying that rubbish to a teenager with no knowledge except WT indoctrination and low self esteem ( which is endemic in jw's). Then imagine that believing him or herself possessed. I won't draw a picture of the likely consequences.

  I'm sorry this happened to You.

  Unshacklethechains To answer I believed in the spiritual paradise as a child and young person but as an adult I found it oppressive.I don't know whether I had childish blinders on at first but I think the control has tightened. Things like family shunning was not expected and strictures on appearance have tightened, in my opinion.

  As I matured I was much too individualistic to cope with the rules and regs, which I often pushed to the limit.

  I think I was in love with the "idea" of this spiritual ideal....no war, brotherly love etc but found the reality of it wasn't for me. Or rarther the WT reality of it.
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  Spiritual paradise or proverbial straitjacket?

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  noas a current or past jehovah's witness, do you / or did you feel part of a spiritual paradise with full liberty in christ as the watchtower society/organisation describes?.

  or do you / did you feel you were wearing a proverbial straitjacket in the sense you feel / felt restricted and controlled by the watchtower society / organisation?.

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  Smiddy Russia today is not to be confused with the USSR (United Socialist Soviet Republic ) as it was back then.

  For young people who dont understand that I recommend watching the satirical movie Dr Strangelove its a classic yet identifies us oldies who lived through that era.

  Couldn't agree more Smiddy, although not around in the sixties it carried over to the seventies and early 80s and that era had a profound effect on those of us joining the WT. Even ordinary folk felt a real sense of fear and Armaggeddon in the form of a nuclear winter seemed a very real prospect.

  As young people even without the Watchtower many didn't envisage reaching old age within our present society.
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  Evolution knowledge prevailing over a Jehovah’s Witness!

  by anointed1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  yesterday i had an interesting visitor—my long-time school friend.

  we both studied with jws together, and he progressed to dedication and baptism whereas i stopped before the final step and got transferred to another place.

  after the routine conversations, he said: “you know how much your family members long to see you take up the truth ….. before it is too late, i would suggest you start tasting jehovah.”.

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  I think I understand your words with a little poetic licence...I think it would register well with a JW , it made me think of Corinthians ...

  " When I was a child I thought like a child, spake like a child.....( fairytales),when I became a man, I put away childish things?"