Posts by Diogenesister

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Huffington Post: When Is A Religion 'Extremist'? [Food for thought!]

by AndersonsInfo in

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friends

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/when-is-a-religion-extremist_us_590de8e3e4b046ea176aeb98.

tim rymel, m.ed.. governments who support “religious freedom” over the equal human rights and dignity of others condone, and even endorse discrimination.. 05/06/2017 11:27 am et | photo – flickr/ justin kern .

government endorsement of any religious ideology creates religious extremism.

Diogenesister

he seems intent on sprinkling the word "extremist" through the article and never quite explains how those who believe they are the only true believers are extremists.

She makes it very clear that extremism stems from the *belief* that God has given *your* human religious leader a revelation that you and have the only true religion - that those who do not identify as belonging to your belief system and live by your " revealed" standards are inferior, "less than' human beings deserving of death and destruction. As she says, "any religion that denies the *value* and humanity of others is extremist".

Witnesses absolutely deny the value of others and their "othering" behaviour in any other context but religion would be considered highly offensive and downright illegal in many instances.

Their belief's lead to behaviours and although at present it is only dangerous to themselves, think blood doctrine and suicide due to shunning and sexuality, that definitely places them squarely in the extremist category imho.

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10 Questions to annoy Jehovah's Witnesses

by TerryWalstrom in

we are sick with sin and we’re trying to get well, right?

2. when you hire a coach to get you to the playoffs and win the big game, yet you lose...lose...lose.... do you fire him, or, do you keep him on?

well, then, how do you explain fred franz being made president after the 1975 fiasco?.

Diogenesister

"At times explanations given by Jehovah’s visible organization have shown adjustments, seemingly to previous points of view. But this has not actually been the case."

Steve I know that google-de-gook off by heart - the infamous " tacking" article, Watchtower lst December 1981.

Brilliant post Terry as always.

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Old School Effects and CGI

by LoveUniHateExams in

i was just thinking about old school effects and cgi (computer generated imagery) in film.

first off, cgi is certainly an advancement in technology, in what can or can't be portrayed on screen.. my knowledge of films and film-making is by no means extensive.

it's just i feel that sometimes film-makers rely too much on cgi, assume that more cgi = better film, or assume it's better to use cgi in every instance.. take a nightmare on elm street (1984).

Diogenesister

Interesting LUHE!

As a Walking dead fan we all love Greg Nicotero's 'mechanical' or I guess you'd call it handmade special effects. Time and again the cgi in TWD is a huge let-down *and* big budget eater and we are unanimous is saying forget the cgi unless there is an over arching need for it in the story line! I think TWD has learned its lesson this season and even Shiva the tiger combined the puppet makers skill with robotics ('animatronics') and some cgi.

The skill of effects guys like Nicotero still beats cgi hands down every time imho.

Edited to add: I do appreciate that some films that demand detailed shots of, for example, WW2 submarines in action as per Dark spliver's Union effects cgi is obviously necessary *and* impressive, though.

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The real reason Chelmsford hasn't been stopped

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

i haven't seen this mentioned yet.

last year in the uk, shortly after the money grab that everyone had, we had a video and letter (both probably still available from atlantis) appealing for money for the new bethel and slips were handed out etc.

this means that most uk congregations are sending a regular donation specifically for the chelmsford build.

Diogenesister

Former brother There is a misconception that JWs dont like education or further education. This is simply not true.

The truth is JWs are very much pro education, they just think nowadays university is a waste of 4 or so years, its a missalocation of time.

Have you actually watched these jw broadcast. Cedars latest review (31) featured songs, diatribes and re-creations all encouraging "yung wunz" to avoid college and Pioneer. Even cong letters warn people not to go to college to learn a skill useful to Bethel.

If you think they want kids to avoid 4 years at uni only because its a 'waste of time' youre kidding yourself - they have always criticized higher education because they don't want anyone learning critical thinking, the ability to think for oneself and spot the logical fallacies the org employs again and again in their propaganda.

It's never been about 'time' or 'association'. Both of which arguments, by the way, are equally fallacious. Now more than ever a good education is essential and better lifetime friends are made at college/uni than the conditional jw 'friends' who are taught to 'mark' and shun for wearing the wrong trousers.

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How crystal meth helped the Nazis conquer large parts of Europe

by oppostate in

how crystal meth helped the nazis conquer large parts of europe.

http://www.businessinsider.com/crystal-meth-nazis-europe-methamphetamine-pervitin-hitler-norman-ohler-blitzed-third-reich-2017-4.

during ww2 german soldiers were taking a "medicine" called pervitin, this stimulant contained pure methamphetamine, which we know today as crystal meth.. "the wehrmacht found out that pervitin reduces fear, it reduces your need to sleep, and it makes you more aggressive.

Diogenesister

Actually Hitler himself was given injections of it.

He was also a pioneer of what now would be termed ' fecal transplant' - soldiers poo - to cure his stomach issues.

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Has anyone else experienced this?

by ToesUp in

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friends

my spouse and i have faded 4+ years ago.

we know the jw rumor mill has gotten back to our family that we no longer attend.

most of our family is out of state.

Diogenesister

They might be "old school." This would be a throw-back to another, previous time when shunning a family member meant that you wouldn't speak with them as a spiritual equal...nothing about KH, doctrine, etc. This is the tactic my family used.

That's what I think. Good for them. This cult is getting worse the more evidence comes to light that they were wrong about 1914 and, well, everything.

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Does the Average R&F JW understand what grace is in Christianity ?

by smiddy in

i`m showing my ignorance here , not being an active member of any church before joining jw`s as a 19 yr old ,whenever i was ever confronted with the question of "grace" i was always at a loss to give an effective answer from a jw point of view.. was it just me ?

or did anybody else have a similar experience ?.

(ps , i dont think i ever heard the expression " grace" in a religious sense in all my 33 years in the borg.studying the wt.).

Diogenesister

I remember a neighbour looking at me with utter pity when she learned I was JW...." but you have no GRACE!!" she cried, face agahst (or words to that effect).

I hadn't a clue what she meant and it took 15 years and leaving to find out.

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What was it like being a JW in the 1960's and 1970's

by UnshackleTheChains in

this is obviously a question for the older generation.

i'm really curious what it was like to be a witness in the 60's and 70's?.

was the society as strict as it is today?.

Diogenesister

Religion is more than doctrine.

And *that* is one of the reasons they can't keep people

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What was it like being a JW in the 1960's and 1970's

by UnshackleTheChains in

this is obviously a question for the older generation.

i'm really curious what it was like to be a witness in the 60's and 70's?.

was the society as strict as it is today?.

Diogenesister

I was but a small kid in the seventies, yet I don't remember shunning of *family* members being so harshly on the agenda.. 'Spiritual shunning' is a term that springs to mind. No discussion of spiritual matters with disfellowshiped family. DA wasn't even an issue.

Can anyone corroborate this please?

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Toxic Person?

by stuckinarut2 in

i read a fantastic quote that applies to the way the society treats those who choose to leave...:.

"when a toxic person can no longer control you, they will try and control how others see you".

just wanted to share....

Diogenesister

This quote hit me like a ton of bricks when I first read it because it's exactly how my crazy abusive ex behaved. Not to mention the Org of course.