Posts by Diogenesister

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Watchtower Doctrines JWs most commonly don't believe

by Diogenesister in

there was a recent thread on another site where posters maintained that many of the *most* long-standing jw's don't believe at least one official watchtower doctrine.

i've even read reports from bethelites saying they've heard bethel overseers say they don't believe some watchtower theology.

this made me think - i believe there are a few official doctrines that are common for many jw's to be either in denial about or simply not really believe ( often one and the same thing).. i'd say these are pretty high in the ranking:.

Diogenesister

Distracted I remember they used to say that resurrected people (to an earthly resurrection) probably(?) won't be able to marry, have sex, or produce offspring. They would be like the angels. I'm sure people had problems with that one, especially if they lost a mate in death.The literature did not hold out any hope for a differing view on that point.

Hi, thank you, good point! That's definitely one I remember " rumblings" about - I don't know if it is still "official"...I think they haven't mentioned it for a long time ( I guess they want to limit the flip flops!)

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Watchtower Doctrines JWs most commonly don't believe

by Diogenesister in

there was a recent thread on another site where posters maintained that many of the *most* long-standing jw's don't believe at least one official watchtower doctrine.

i've even read reports from bethelites saying they've heard bethel overseers say they don't believe some watchtower theology.

this made me think - i believe there are a few official doctrines that are common for many jw's to be either in denial about or simply not really believe ( often one and the same thing).. i'd say these are pretty high in the ranking:.

Diogenesister

There was a recent thread on another site where posters maintained that many of the *most* long-standing jw's don't believe at least one official Watchtower doctrine. I've even read reports from Bethelites saying they've heard Bethel overseers say they don't believe some Watchtower theology.

This made me think - I believe there are a few official doctrines that are common for many jw's to be either in denial about or simply not really believe ( often one and the same thing).

I'd say these are pretty high in the ranking:

That *everyone* Will die at Armageddon ( kids included) who are not jw's

The historicity of the flood

Gay People " choose" to be that way

Jesus is *only* the mediator for the 144,000

Can anyone think of more ( I haven't included Watchtower traditions like no beards, women participating more in cong responsibilities like sound booths, bible reading, literature desk etc and counting time but perhaps you guys would ) Perhaps someone would like to attempt a list in order of a rough percentage estimate of each "DODGY DOCTRINE"!!( not that they all aren't )

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Lott video and " Vanity" of modern JW women

by Diogenesister in

one thing i picked up from the " remember the wife of lott" video was the amount of time the jw women gave over to improving their looks.. in days of old i doubt a jw wife would have been portrayed in a salon having a lot of beauty treatments .. that's not to say it would be looked down on, per sa, i just doubt it would have been portrayed on official propaganda videos as an acceptable way for jw women to spend time that could be otherwise given over to promoting " kingdom interests".

given the way the org uses anything to belittle women i'm surprised they let those scenes fly without negative comment.. just a minor point ....i know the vids have been done to death by now!!

!.

Diogenesister

One thing I picked up from the " Remember the Wife of Lott" video was the amount of time the jw women gave over to improving their looks.

In days of old I doubt a jw wife would have been portrayed in a salon having a lot of beauty treatments .

That's not to say it would be looked down on, per sa, I just doubt it would have been portrayed on official propaganda videos as an acceptable way for jw women to spend time that could be otherwise given over to promoting " kingdom interests". Given the way the org uses anything to belittle women I'm surprised they let those scenes fly without negative comment.

Just a minor point ....I know the vids have been done to death by now!!!

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I've Just Noticed Something About The "Remember The Wife Of Lot" Video

by pale.emperor in

maybe you guys got on to this right away, but i've just noticed something about the remember the wife of lot video.. we all know the scene where the judgmental jw dad gives that disapproving look to the girl who has lesbian parents:.

this look actually appears again throughout the video - but on other jws.

in the scene where the new brother is out in service with the former co. look at the new brothers reaction to when a "worldly" person knows the former co from work:.

Diogenesister

The real estate sister that worked in the so hot real estate market so that they mortgaged their condo to buy something better, but couldn't rent out the condo because the rental market was soft?

Given that it was supposed to represent New York, what is the chance you couldn't rent out a nice flat like that? Actually in any city?

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Wow i do not reconize this religion anymore...

by _Morpheus in

had the misfortune of stopping by the "regional" convention yesterday.

i promised my daughter i would come to sunday afternoon so she wouldnt have to ride home with her mother.... holy crap it was weird!

im sure all of this has been covered on the forum but to actually see it.... just wow.

Diogenesister

tepidpoultry I've noticed clothing changes...for men ( off platform)more über formal, for women more "dressy" and glam in comparison to "The Little House on the Prarie" aesthetic of yore.

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Wow i do not reconize this religion anymore...

by _Morpheus in

had the misfortune of stopping by the "regional" convention yesterday.

i promised my daughter i would come to sunday afternoon so she wouldnt have to ride home with her mother.... holy crap it was weird!

im sure all of this has been covered on the forum but to actually see it.... just wow.

Diogenesister

Wake me up before you Jo-Ho

Interesting about the Monarch. Also, another site stated the butterfly image was amoung four recently taken off the classified list by the FBI, it's used as the symbol paedophiles ( specifically those attracted to young girls) identify other paedophiles by.

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First Humans May Have Been European

by cofty in

the fossil record of early hominins in africa is very well established with patterns of later migrations into asia and europe.

the hypothesis is sometimes referred to as "out of africa".. however a new paper from researchers at the university of toronto describes two fossil specimens of an even earlier ancestor graecopithecus freybergi who lived 7.2 million years ago, putting it close to our common ancestor with chimpanzees.

crucially these fossils were not discovered in africa but in greece and bulgaria.. the team are proposing that environmental changes that led to the formation of the sahara pushed the ancestors of graecopithecus freybergi further north towards the eastern mediterranean where the chimp-human split occurred.. this hypothesis is likely to be controversial for all sorts of reasons!.

Diogenesister

Hey there Zappa-esque ( cool name)

Have you managed to ever visit the gorge were Lucy was found?

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Jesus he knows me: jw.org

by Gorbatchov in

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today i read some postings about the changes in jw land, moving to a evangelical organization, and i have to say that jw.org is more and more recognizable in the genisis video clip jesus he knows me.. back then way overdone, now much like jw.org.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=35k6vqrt67g.

g..

Diogenesister

Ha! Really enjoyed that Gorby!! I bet they had fun making that video....I so prefer them to the über polished and over-produced music videos of today.

And yes, just like JW.Org....with one exception...Jesus doesn't get many name checks on jworg!

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cleveland ohio convention results

by nowwhat? in

of 3 in cleveland: avg.

attendance 7500 baptised 27 a robust growth of 0.38%!

not my convention so no details..

Diogenesister

Toes Up Thanks for the link...someone on reddit was looking for top-less ( male!)and bathing suited baptism candidates from that era.

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Are you a Christian Who Accepts Evolution?

by cofty in

if you identify as a christian but you have accepted that the diversity of life - including humans - resulted from a process of biological evolution could you add your name please?.

just to be clear i am referring to the fact that our physical lineage could literally be traced back all the way to non-human species.. if you like maybe you could comment on why you see not conflict between evolution and your christian faith.. there is a tendency to conflate evolution with atheism.

it would be good to show that this is not the case..

Diogenesister

How can a Christian believe in evolution? What about the ransome sacrifice?They *have* to believe in a literal garden of Eden, original sin, to make that sacrifice worth anything at all.

Not forgetting Jesus also spoke as if the flood were true.

If they believe Genesis is purely allegorical, then why was Jesus sacrificed? Why was it required?

I fully understand one can believe in God and evolution, but the sacrifice of a Jewish carpenter ? I believe this is why Islam is gaining popularity.