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  Crisis of conscience

  by Ponyo in

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  does anyone know where i can buy coc for under $50?

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  Las Malvinas just because she didn’t meet the frantic deadlines of others.

  "frantic deadlines"????

  er..how many years has it been now?
  
  
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  2017 Memorial Partakers

  by NashvilleTele in

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  2. beliefs

  when does the number of memorial partakers get released for 2017. i was wondering if the number will surpass 20k.

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  I see this not so much as elite born-ins but the common person (in every country) who was raised in a Christen household where it was a part of life and death that you pass on to a better place.

  I think you're right in that the large increases in jw numbers are coming from African, traditionally Catholic countries like Angola; where rejecting the emblems would be difficult for New converts.

  However, Dark Spliver's kchart shows that anointed numbers in the UK decreased at a faster, and notably steady, rate than in the USA where the real JW elite reside.

  This very much plays in with Orphan Crow's theory that it's those from the more prominent jw families, perhaps living closer to the centre of power. So in the USA those new anointed were replacing the dying ones despite the 1935 closing date.

  And now that's old light, even more are quaffing the Holy juice if it gives them a shot at being the ' new Moses'
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  2017 Memorial Partakers

  by NashvilleTele in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when does the number of memorial partakers get released for 2017. i was wondering if the number will surpass 20k.

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  Could it be that the 'anointed' numbers are rising quite simply because the number of 'elite' conversions are rising?

  Definately, I would say that's a big element to it. Young people with ambition are not stupid. They know it will 'fast track' you to positions of responsibility. Or the 'right' marriage partner - if a jw male isn't quite willing enough to make a fool of himself - he knows marriage to an anointed girl will make him look 'spiritual' enough to get a good position in the org.

  But as Orphan Crow says, not just any old poor girl with a single mum or an unbelieving dad from duck puddle on the marsh will cut it. You've got to come from the right jw background to be taken seriously. Not written off as one of ' those' anointed [side eyes].

  Because even the anointed have a 'two class' system within The org for goodness sake.
  
  
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  Amarillo TX RBC Liquidation- Branch Resource Recovery Team

  by jwabuse.com in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  got this in my inbox today, thought it was kind of interesting.

  i like the wording "all proceeds go to non-profit programs.

  " i wonder what all exactly the "branch resource recovery team" gets involved in?.

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  Branch recovery resource team?

  Surely Branch resource recovery team.

  If they are trying to recover the Branch they are in more trouble than we thought!
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  BREAKING NEWS out of Canada

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  jwvictims.org has another breaking news article out of canada: https://jwvictims.org/2017/10/02/breaking-news-66-million-class-action-suit-request-filed-against-jws-in-canada/.

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  The arrogance of Watchtower with regard to their attitude to the issue of CSA within their org is appalling.

  No effort to work with experts, no honest appraisal of their past mistakes....and heartfelt apology to victims.

  And most of all, no effort to put things right in order to protect the children of the future.

  I hope they let them have it!
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  question: Pinky rink, the ring i have seen on alot of the GB resembles a Masionic ring

  by goingthruthemotions in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i get infuriated when i see the god's (guardians of doctrine) sporting pinky rings or rings on there right hands.

  like a club association.

  when i try and take a look at the ring it resembles a masionic ring.

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  Finky Halls traveling about giving public talks. and which was used to create 1914 date and the Dispensational era theology..

  Finky (or anyone knowledgeable in Christian theology) - are Catholics dispensational ? Or C of E and Greek Orthodox - in other words the main, traditional churches? Do they at least use dispensation doctrine to some extent? If not who came up with it?

  Also, the whole he idea of parables always having TWO fulfillment, or prophecy should I say.Always having an ancient, or type, and modern, or anti type, fulfillment. It has a name this doctrine...I forget it at the moment , but it's central to Watchtower doctrine.

  Who came up with it...was it Barber et al in the eighteenth century? (Or am I confused). Can anyone explain for me please?
  
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  question: Pinky rink, the ring i have seen on alot of the GB resembles a Masionic ring

  by goingthruthemotions in

  1. jw
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  i get infuriated when i see the god's (guardians of doctrine) sporting pinky rings or rings on there right hands.

  like a club association.

  when i try and take a look at the ring it resembles a masionic ring.

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  Vidiot2 years ago2 years ago

  Does this look like the kind of guy the Freemasons would want?

  Yeah I understood they were kinda selective about who could join, Vidiot, they don't take any old riff-raff
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  First posting on here..Hello all

  by London Underground in

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  2. friends

  just wanted to say a big hello to everyone, my first post on here was actually yesterday but it was deleted.. so will keep this one short to save my precious time just in case its also deleted or lost.. got fed up with years of persecution from within the congregations.

  the lack of genuine friendship & lack of 'christian love'.

  having personally seen many a scandalous behaviour i began doing some research online some years ago.

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  Hi there London Undies, as punky named you, welcome to the forum.

  Sarf London here!

  Boy you're right in the thick of it up there, arent you? More jw's than you can shake a stick at. Keep researching, lots of info on here, too.Don't know what happened to your post, it's usually very straight forward. Doubt you said anything untoward...pretty broadminded types run the place, no micro managing here. Technical maybe.xx
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  An honest question for those who were "born-in"

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. experiences

  just wanted to ask a question of those who were born in as i was.. how did you feel to have been "privileged to have been born into the only true faith - the truth"?.

  did this make you feel confident, or proud - or perhaps arrogant?.

  how did you reconcile the fact that 99% of the earth's population was not born "into the truth"?.

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  *not born in but so young when my "foster mum "converted I don't remember before. I was ostensibly raised by my dad but he was a mentally ill alcoholic who was always at work in london ( media type were boozing was de rigueur in the 70s). My dad's friend/neighbour simply took over. I know many would say I'm far from born in but with no mother and an absent father my only jw carer was very much in loco parentis.
  I think im an interesting case in that i thought i passionately believed, but on reflection my attitudes have always been far from typical for a jw.

  How did you feel to have been "privileged to have been born into the only true faith - The Truth"?o

  I thought that it couldn't just be down to luck. I leaned towards most of the world catching up, and that by the time I was big enough to do vs on my own most of the work would be done (LoLconvenient for me!) and every one converted.

  Did this make you feel confident, or proud - or perhaps arrogant?

  I sort of thought I had had a pretty hard time (see above) so God was kinda giving me a break LoL! I suppose that is a kind of arrogance, since most of the world's kids are way worse off.I was a very emotional kid who loved everyone, as I grew older I thought less and less of myself and thought myself utterly blood guilty...doomed to die. This by the time I was 12 I suppose.
  

  How did you reconcile the fact that 99% of the earth's population was not born "into the Truth"?

  I simply didn't believe God would kill the non believers, I had an excuse for everyone. I thought Watchtower mistaken in this, so I suppose that was dissonence.....or I just never fully understood the religion, deep down, some would say although my foster mum was an educated liberal ups convert, so perhaps she didn't either. She certainlyvrefused to shun her DF daughter and her husband had a big, bushy, untidy beard. He was never your average witness, either. As a baptised brother they did nag him, as it got into the 80s, to get it cut. He refused. Since he was the strong, silent, intelligent type no one had the balls to mess with him in the cong and since he never had aspirations, as guys with genuinely responsible, important jobs often don't, they left him alone in the end.
  

  As a child, did you ever question these things?

  I never questioned that the basic concept was the truth. However the judgementalism...no way, I didn't agree with that. Looking back I remember being shocked my friend thought it was bad to be gay!! I guess I must have known even then it was gUmpf . Or the world had influenced me more than I knew.
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  Chapter 34 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave

  by new boy in

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  2. friends

  chapter 34.

  “have another beer and forget the whole thing”.

  i saw debbie stillman on tour in september 1972 standing there in the ink room.

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  Just wondering, Keith, if those figures you have for disfellowshippjng are current? Just seems quite low to me, although I suppose DA folk are probably half that again and they amount to the same thing, really, in terms of being announced and shunned. Or are these the figures for the US of A only?

  What can I say, I am so very sorry about Dad-in-law.No one on earth deserves such treatment.

  "Her victims cry clear up to heaven"