Posts by Diogenesister

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Self Limiting Beliefs

by abishephard in

left the jw’s as a teenager; as with most exjws i have struggled throughout the years with being a successful adult.

i have recently starting addressing some of the psychological trauma of my childhood, and i wonder if anyone else here can identify with any of these self limiting beliefs:.

- pursuit of wealth is bad (i.e.

Diogenesister

That’s a very apt expression for so many of the behaviours I’ve exhibited over the years.

I am naturally a very curious and ambitious person, there was so much I wanted to achieve but I refused to become a “taker” as I saw it. Wealth was a dirty word to me, so I I chose nursing as a career, which I won’t say I didn’t enjoy, but I felt creatively and intellectually stifled. I don’t know how I would have gotten through seeing so much suffering if I hadn’t believed there was something better awaiting people.

Now I almost have a kind of ptsd about illness, suffering and death it’s almost a phobia. I’ve also gone from taking wild chances to being super risk averse.

Ironically I did always believe the world ( or Satan) was out to stumble me and I was suspicious of anything good that came my way....thinking there was a price attached! I now realise I self sabotage and that it wasnt the world but me creating stumbling blocks all along!

I do think that the wealth thing is partly generational, in my youth flashy displays of wealth were considered tasteless by everyone, not just witnesses!

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Demonic Possession

by Nihilistic Journey in

i am looking for articles that i recall reading from the magazines.

i recall getting the magazines through subscription so it must have been in the 1980's.

they were "biographies" from sisters that dealt with demonic possession and attacks.

Diogenesister

I love the look on their faces when I'd ask them about the used cars they were driving

Yes and unless they were living in a brand new house what's the point of avoiding pre-loved items!

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Absolutely worth seeing - Kevin from Dubtown tells about himself

by fastJehu in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhd-xbj9yoq.

@ kevini love your dubtown videos.

but this video - where you tell something about yourself - is the most valuable of all previous videos.

Diogenesister

@Kevin Macfree's struggles with coming to term with knowing he will always be disabled, having looked forward to good health in paradise, is so very sad.

I too am coming to terms with a beloved relative dying young and leaving their baby without a daddy. I always believed death was temporary - as did we all.

It's absolute agony.

Shunning is bad enough, but I always say 'while there's life there's hope'.

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Did Russell come up with the no hell fire and no Trinity doctrine or did steal that belief from another religion as well?

by nowwhat? in

just wondering hate to give the devil his due.

Diogenesister

NB I see Pastor Russell's selling of his "Miracle wheat" most definitely placing him in the 'charlatan' category.

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Did Russell come up with the no hell fire and no Trinity doctrine or did steal that belief from another religion as well?

by nowwhat? in

just wondering hate to give the devil his due.

Diogenesister

Vienne's daughter read on these boards claims about his morals. They derive from newspaper articles. But the transcript of the Russell divorce is in the public record in Allegheny County. A copy is expensive, but it is available. No-one making assertions about his morals here or on other discussion boards seems to have read it. You really should before you believe what newspaper articles say. And I can hear someone muttering, 'but have you read it?' Yes, my Mom, her writing partner, B. W. Schulz, and my uncle Karl all have copies

Russell's wife was a decent sort and she intentionally kept the more salacious details of their marriage - or rather the reason she divorced Russell - OUT of the court transcripts. This is Unfortunate since it may have opened the eyes of a few witnesses.

I don't claim he was a pedophile, as some do. Merely that he was a typical repressed Victorian religious man and one who probably found it difficult to see his wife in a sexual light. However making lewd advances to your (adult) adoptive daughter is pretty immoral in my mind and certainly rules him out as gods chosen vessel.

Court transcripts : http://www.pastor-russell.com/misc/bde.html

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As Seen On TV....Have You Ever Tried Any Of Their Products?

by minimus in

jw
friends

if you have , was it worth what you paid?

?.

Diogenesister

8Blondie min, based on often I have listened to them, I think they have been a bargain

Blondie it always blows me away what a bargain ANY music CD/album/record/tape I've had is. Hours and hours of glorious music that I listen to again and again for a few pounds.

When you think about it it's the best value item you'll ever buy. Imho :))

(And Timelife stuff are always classics in whatever medium)
Simon that's hysterical lmao they're not quite so bad in the UK, are they ? Lol

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My "shameless" relationship with my ex wife

by Jayk in

i've thought about keeping this to myself but i'm still confused on what i should do.. my ex wife(never been a jw) and myself(raised in the org till 16)have been reconnecting these past few weeks.

we been divorced for almost 10 years, we got married when we where pretty young, and it didnt last long.. fast forward 10 years, her and i have been reconnecting and things are getting semi serious.. she got remarried, divorced again, and recently broke up with her gf.

so in the past 10 years she has only been with 3 people (including myself) and here comes me "a sucker with no self esteem".

Diogenesister

PS. Love the "Shameless" reference!

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My "shameless" relationship with my ex wife

by Jayk in

i've thought about keeping this to myself but i'm still confused on what i should do.. my ex wife(never been a jw) and myself(raised in the org till 16)have been reconnecting these past few weeks.

we been divorced for almost 10 years, we got married when we where pretty young, and it didnt last long.. fast forward 10 years, her and i have been reconnecting and things are getting semi serious.. she got remarried, divorced again, and recently broke up with her gf.

so in the past 10 years she has only been with 3 people (including myself) and here comes me "a sucker with no self esteem".

Diogenesister

Please please be aware that when kids form a parental-role bond with a person married, or in a relationship, with their biological parent and that relationship ends, they can't just "switch off" their feelings.

They will always see " uncle Jayk" as Dad. Or uncle. They are programmed to have a special, life long love for the care takers of their childhood.

In many ways romantic relationships are the most ephemeral. Even though religion insists you are "one flesh," the truth is they are the most disposable of all our bonds.

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Recently Disfellowshipped

by PersonOfGlitter in

jw
friends

hi i’m getting disfellowshipped on thursday and was wondering what advice those that have left have for me.

i’m not sure if i still believe or not.

.

Diogenesister

Have you checked out JWfacts.com?

If not I highly recommend you take a look as it's extremely well researched and Paul only uses Watchtowers own publications. Please just do some research also into how undue influence works, in particular "thought stopping" sentences and the " B I.T.E." model...thats behaviour control, information control, thought control and emotional control. Steve Hassan wrote a book called " Combatting Cult mind control" that I highly recommend you read.

Of course the other must read is " Crises of Conscience" by Raymond Franz.

You will have extra time on your hands so spends some time investigating the history of your religion before you make any decisions.

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My "shameless" relationship with my ex wife

by Jayk in

i've thought about keeping this to myself but i'm still confused on what i should do.. my ex wife(never been a jw) and myself(raised in the org till 16)have been reconnecting these past few weeks.

we been divorced for almost 10 years, we got married when we where pretty young, and it didnt last long.. fast forward 10 years, her and i have been reconnecting and things are getting semi serious.. she got remarried, divorced again, and recently broke up with her gf.

so in the past 10 years she has only been with 3 people (including myself) and here comes me "a sucker with no self esteem".

Diogenesister

I agree with Dubstepped I think couples therapy is 100% the best idea. If I am to understand during your first marriage you were a witness and she was not, that couldn’t have been easy for her. As you say, you are a very different person now. Very young people are rarely equipped for marriage so they say second time around is best!