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  Should JW's Follow an Apostate?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  wasn't ct russell an apostate seventh day adventist?.

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  Because a triangle told him so.....
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  Do We Get A Clean Slate When We Die? (Watchtower View Examined)

  by Sea Breeze in

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  2. bible

  the watchtower teaches that the opportunity to be born again and enjoy complete justification with god ended in 1935, having been limited to only 144k since pentecost.

  so, it is very surprising that the watchtower embraces the death that is described in romans chapter 6, since this is the very death that is required to be born again…… which is denied to watchtower members!

  romans chapter 6, verse 7 is about saying goodbye to the old personality, the “old man” in the king james version.

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  Good points Sea Breeze

  
  

  I had discussion elsewhere with someone I think holds on to some doctrinal JW beliefs. It was around suicide and Watchtower (he left due to lack of love and his disapproval of shunning, which is absolutely understandable).

  I (and some other ex JWs) said that many JWs , especially the DF, think that suicide prior to Armageddon is the safest option to ensure they gain the paradise. That getting into paradise may be time-sensitive, may be contingent on when you die. In other words those that die even 5 minutes before Armageddon will gain paradise, whereas being alive during Armageddon you are at least taking a chance that you will be killed if god deems you not to be a good enough witness.

  This chap said that Christendom’s doctrine is worse in that regard, in fact hypocritical, since if they’re going to heaven surely it makes more sense to kill yourself now and go straight there?*

  I think your points drive our idea home far better. That for witnesses, death = justification since by dying you’re all square with your sin debt. In fact that is the reason that drives many despairing witnesses to feel safer in death.

  *since the Bible doesn’t actually pass judgement on suicide.
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  New Light on Sheep and Goats?

  by notsurewheretogo in

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  2. beliefs

  lloyd evans has just tweeted a video he will be releasing soon on the "change" to the meaning of the sheep and goats and when that is to occur.. i've missed any discussion on that on here or anywhere?

  it seems it was part of the 2020 annual meeting the gb had?.

  any info on this?.

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  More like shits and gits

  The Governing Body get off on judging people
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  Buy a Bible

  by joey jojo in

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  2. humour

  this is probably an oldie.

  buy a bible, never read it- you're probably a catholic.

  buy a bible, read only the parts you find interesting - you're probably an evangelist.

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  Buy a Bible, close your eyes, open the Bible randomly and point to a verse👇🏼......you’re probably a confused young Jehovah’s Witness looking for answers from Jehovah that never come!🤣🤣😂
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  We in the UK are dealing with COVID all wrong

  by LoveUniHateExams in

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  2. current

  yeah, so boris johnson has plunged the whole of the uk back into a second lockdown.

  kids are still going to school (thank goodness!

  ) but this second lockdown is ruining the economy and killing small businesses.. the first lockdown was forgivable because, at the time, nobody knew what we were dealing with.. but now, we know more and more about covid-19.. it is lethal to elderly people (the average age of deaths with covid in the uk is 82 years - the average age of deaths without covid in the uk is 81 years).. it is also lethal to obese people and people with diabetes.. i'd imagine hiv+ people are another vulnerable group.. but to everyone else, catching covid is fairly similar to catching the flu.

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  Earnest It is curiously convenient that the first appearance of a conspiracy-endorsing statement attributed to FDR should be in a conspiracy-endorsing book.

  Very interesting. I think folks don't realise that even conspiracy theorists often have an angle/ hidden agenda....most usually a *book and/or career to sell!

  *documentary/website etc
  
  
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  Fred Franz 85 talk on WTS History

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  learn why fred quit university to join the watchtower.

  https://youtu.be/fkjw-r9oitk.

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  • DropoffyourkeyLee Franz's statements about this were always ambiguous enough to leave a lot of questions. I only half believe what he said on the subject.

    Yes I tend to think when he said he'd been "chosen" for the scholarship, he actually meant his school had chosen him to compete in state exams, maybe?? Certainly the Rhodes Scholarship society had never heard of him.Ambiguous to the point of being misleading....

    
    
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  Rhodes Scholar?

  by Bangalore in

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  Franz is just another fraudulent false prophet. So fed up as the lies pile up.
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  Fred Franz 85 talk on WTS History

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  learn why fred quit university to join the watchtower.

  https://youtu.be/fkjw-r9oitk.

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  Earnest did you listen to the speech? I'm talking about the above speech! He claimed to those in the stadium he had gained a place to study at Oxford university.

  He's lying.

  To actually apply for the Rhodes scholarship itself you don't actually take examinations, but submit a statement (or essay). Now your state may require you to take exams in order for them to choose their candidate/s, but that just means he was at several points of remove to even apply for the scholarship!!

  We actually have a statement from the Rhodes society itself stating he is not on their list of successful candidates.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/201123/rhodes-scholar
  
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  Drinking during Prohibition

  by Davros in

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  2. friends

  during a recent conversation i had with someone, a question came up that i really don't know the answer to.

  did jw's still drink during prohibition in the us during the 1920's until it's repeal in 1933?

  was alcoholic beverages considered forbidden and possibly subject to disfellowshipping?.

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  Rutherford got Bible students to smuggle booze over the border for him...so yes, well, they drank at Bethel for sure.
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  Fred Franz 85 talk on WTS History

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  2. humour

  learn why fred quit university to join the watchtower.

  https://youtu.be/fkjw-r9oitk.

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  Bible students "of prominence to be buried"?? I thought witnesses were all equal??

  I was surprised to hear him lie out of his own mouth about having a place to study at ,"Oxford university college" ( there's no such place btw, There's Balliol college in Oxford, Jesus or Keble college in Oxford etc etc ) It was his tutor in his freshman year that suggested he might apply to obtain a place as a Rhodes scholar (so he claims). He didn't even apply let alone be accepted.