Posts by Diogenesister

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Marc O'Donell's statement: Lloyd and the conflict of Interest

by Diogenesister in

as expected from a man who prioritizes the most vulnerable members of our community, marc has made a sober statement that explains why there's a deep conflict of interest between lloyds recent behaviour and the work they do at jw watch.

you can read it here:.

public statement of mark o’donnell.

Diogenesister

Countries that have lower age-of-consent laws tend to have a "Juliet clause" that limits the age-difference, precisely to protect them from abuse without also criminalizing young people in genuine relationships.

Because there is a world of difference between a 14 year old girl with a 16 year old boyfriend, and a 14 year old girl and a 30 year old man who's groomed her online to meetup in a car-park.

Interesting I didn't know it was called a "Juliet clause".

I fully agree the law needs to protect teens in teen relationships.

It's funny though my 16 yr old sons were saying a few weeks ago how grossed out they were by some kid in their year going out with a girl in year 9 (14)😆🤣🤣Apparently "she's a kid"😜

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Diogenesister

SBF Yes I have real reservations. The last sentence from the girl - "it's best for you to leave. This will not end well for us" for example.

I just think that's not the sort of thing a 14 year old girl would say.... particularly back then. There are some terms that have gained popularity on social media, that were used in the past, but not with such regularity. That one "not end well for" is definitely such a phrase and particularly so for a kid. I agree the phraseology used for "LE" seems very much in character. But if someone were to make it up, the problem they would have would be recreating the "voice" of a 14 year old girl of a given era.

Also, where did this person obtain these messages? Presumably LE would have deleted them so only the girl would have them (and why would she give them to anyone, not being a JW).

Of course if LE confessed to the elders they may have recorded some of it. But given that his father and best friends ran the Cong and supposedly covered it up, why would they allow anyone else access? Particularly a cousin by marriage of his wife in another country?

Curious mind you have convicted him, sentenced him and had him offed in jail all in a couple of weeks. Impressive.

With regard to these text messages yes, I agree. They could be complete fakes.

With regard to his other self confessed, observable behaviour, hypocrisy around representation of women & girls rape & CSA. GAS-lighting Kim and weaponising his followers against her, absolutely

guilty 100%.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Diogenesister

It should be mentioned that the JLE email address in these screenshots would have had to be created between April 2004 and October 2005. In the UK, between October 2005 and sometime in 2010, all new gmail accounts were using googlemail.com as their domain address due to a dispute with another company.

I can attest to that since mine began it's life as Googlemail dot com in the UK at this time and transitioned to Gmail.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Diogenesister

Just to say someone on this site claimed the girl I as a JW and he knew her.

From those chats it's obvious the girl is not a JW.

I'm beginning to be suspicious. Do we have any way of confirming this Marko is who he says he was?

If this is made up you guys have played right into his hands. In fact it's likely whoever made this up will be prosecuted. I'd want to be VERY sure of my source before I started making these claims or though Ive gotta say it really reads as he sounds, it really does. That's exactly how he would tweet. Whoever wrote those was definitely British.

The only thing I thought was odd was the last line from the girl.

Nevertheless I wouldn't send this anywhere until you are sure it's true people.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Diogenesister

I have filed yet another complaint with Patreon asking them to investigate and remove Lloyd's account. If you have not done so, please consider contacting them. The video on Marko's statement was included in my newest complaint

Yes his statement on Patreon claims ALL the money goes towards his Hack-tivism activities. I think it's a grey area that needs clarifying legally. I tend to think if he hadn't worded it quite like that he would be untouchable in that regard, legally if not morally.

However I saw a video somewhere by Joel of The Vast Apostate Army and he said back in 2017 or 18 Lloyd fund raised heaps in order to sue them for slander or something.....apparently they didn't so much as receive a cease and desist so in that instance he was definitely receiving money on false premises.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

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😯

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JWs don’t use the apocryphal, yet source them

by Anony Mous in

so a quick little note about a few things that i recently learned.

if you ever had the yellow book of bible stories, there was the story of enoch, also repeated in other watchtower publications, about the angels fathering giants and being a menace on earth.

now if you look at the nicean bible, which is the wtbts selection of the bible, it mentions enoch twice and only has a very brief passage about nephilim and ben elohim.

Diogenesister

Wow very interesting! I do remember on one occasion thinking the watchtower referred to an apocryphal source - I think it was Enoch because of course the Bible itself mentions the book of Enoch. I remember being surprised but you're right it hasn't really become a talking point. Good find.

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Geehovah this and Geehovah that.

by Foolednomore in

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some jw's used geehovah like a worn out sunday dish rag.

and so as those with a trade or talent.

in my hall my family owned an auto repair shop.

Diogenesister

I hate the weird pronunciation. When I was young it was said quickly, the way other words are spoken in our country.

J'hoevah

Now as OP says it's drawn out GEEEE HOOOE VAH🙄

And he's always the Grand this or that...the Grand engineer, the Grand designer, The Grand pub landlord, The Grand Bookmaker, The Grand war lord. Anything basically.

Carlawhy do they say jehovah god?-

That's another piece of weirdery. Why Jehovah God, not God Jehovah. That's not regular English. I think it's a hangover of them all being descended from krauts. I wouldn't say my Andrew husband, I'd say my husband Andrew etc It's title then name🙄

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Loyd has made a statement on Facebook

by pistolpete in

here is a copy of loyd's facebook latest comment.

https://m.facebook.com/lloydevanscedars/posts/346085697519910.

Diogenesister

The charity I have been supporting is Baptist Slavic Mission. They have planted nearly 100 small congregation-led churches there since the 1970's. We built additions to three homes of pastors so that they could take in 10 orphans each so that they could have a shot at a normal family and have children themselves one day and raise them with love.

I know its not much....but it is something.

No Sea Breeze this is NOT not much....it's everything to those kids....their very lives. I was in care for a while as a kid when my Dad went into a psychiatric hospital. I was groomed and the home has long been closed down for child abuse (amongst other awful things they did) so my blood ran cold when you described the kids being 'discharged' at 15 with 150 quid - alone and vulnerable and going into prostitution to survive.
This is incredible work you do. I can't tell you how grateful I am to people like you who care because there's no one more vulnerable and unprotected than a care kid😥

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Marc O'Donell's statement: Lloyd and the conflict of Interest

by Diogenesister in

as expected from a man who prioritizes the most vulnerable members of our community, marc has made a sober statement that explains why there's a deep conflict of interest between lloyds recent behaviour and the work they do at jw watch.

you can read it here:.

public statement of mark o’donnell.

Diogenesister

Ray Franzt

Sorry just quick question - So did this grooming incident happen before his marriage or have I got it completely confused?