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  “Hanging the earth upon nothing”

  by FFGhost in

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  for those of you not up to speed on the latest jw trends, one of the key scriptures the jws are using in field serve-us lately is job 26:7, wherein the writer describes the earth as “hanging upon nothing”.. this text is used to indicate the bible’s “reliability”.

  the reasoning goes something like this:.

  “see, centuries ago, people thought the world was flat, or was resting on elephants or turtles, or some such nonsense.

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  I'm been given to understand that the Ancient Hebrew word "circle" is entirely different from the word which means "sphere" or 'ball' which is the root of the modern world for ball כַּדוּר (not Chutzpah lol😁) 'bôl'. I was told that the word for ball is elsewhere in the Bible, so if they really thought it was a sphere and not a circle they could have used that word.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  What Evans wrote was a memoir of sorts, although the reviews sounds like he blurred the boundaries between genres, another no-no in the publishing world. I think his whole approach probably screamed "unprofessional" at whoever he was sending proposals

  He kinda had to blurr genres because he simply wouldn't have had enough of interest (given people are reading for his content, not his skill as an author and philosophical whimsy. Something I would submit they did with, say, Amber Scorah).

  I mean there's been innumerable autobiographies whose point of interest was being a witness. The majority had far more than that to offer. If not the first, they had much to add from being on the Governing Body to working at Bethel, being a CO to missionary work. At the very least they were long time, committed JWs who lived through some of the Watchtowers biggest upheavals. Many were familiar with Watchtowers most influential protagonists with stories few can tell.

  Lloyd was a provincial JW. Relatively young he'd led too average yet sheltered a life to be interesting or relatable. If the inner workings of a secretive religion were of interest, he'd been an elder for less than 9 months so the only judicial he had to report was his own. He'd left for the most pedestrian of reasons with the only points of interest involving a salaciousness that was Less "Carry on Vicar" and more "Jim'l fix it" (allegedly...)
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  P.S. - Toon Media is his Romanian friend Arthur Weber's company. It's not Lloyd's entity.

  Yes I saw it was registered to his name but since it seems to have been unused since 2013, I assumed they cooked it up together in order to shift the books??!

  Thanks for publicising Barbara's go fund. Me for this really, really important exjw delegate's Ergali OSCE 2022 Warsaw speech vintage.

  I was going to make a new thread on it actually since most people won't see it buried here. Would you like to? I thought we could post Barbara's six screens interview ? It was absolutely riveting!
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  That's interesting about his Dad so I guess I was wrong. Is it maybe that now his Dad makes money? There was the media company he owned that Lloyd also had some dealing with that reported 1.5 million in assets and earnings.

  Agree, Pr0ner, that's very strange . Something fishy going on there. Either his Dad is up to some shenanigans, has sold his home or, more likely given Lloyds propensity to stick "Media" at the end of any of his ventures, he has more connections with his Dad than he lets on. Perhaps he was exaggerating his income in order to obtain a loan to fund some project. Perhaps the TTATT documentary?

  I noticed the company he set up to profit from Ray Franz's book illegally was called "Toon Media"🙄. Yes it's delusions of Grandeur - but it also goes to show he had every intention of turning it into a money making scam. Going so far as to register "Toon Media" in 2013 to give customers that air of authenticity.

  Reminds me of Dell Boy Trotter of Only Fools and Horses ..."Trotter's Evan's Independent Traders PLC"😁
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  My guess is that early in his childhood his Dad had a bad luck streak. Then quickly recovered and got wealthy. Also, IRRC his Dad's company reported an income of around 1.5 million last year, I think it's somewhere in this thread.

  I was going to say as far as I know he's chronically unemployed and I got the impression he lives on disability/retirement benefit. Lloyd was raised during a relatively affluent time in the UK and if you had both parents working you probably had a reasonable childhood. Particularly since a bike was probably the biggest expenditure on a kid in the UK back then!😁I always assumed he was a working class boy from a nice home. You can tell. Upper and middle class Brits have a different vibe about them.

  I also remember that BBC interview, it was lousy. I see someone managed to post it.
  
  
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  The question`s GOD beleiver / Creationists ignore or don`t / won`t / can`t answer ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  the common thread of beleivers / creationists of a god creating life is design .. and if something / anything is designed it must have a designer ?.

  however this reasoning is discarded when talking about the existence of god.. and if such a being as god somehow existed without a designer why not all forms of life itself as existing on earth ?.

  coming into existence without a designer ?.

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  "depends on.............. the consumption of other living organisms to live? "

  This is what I find so hard to deal with.

  I watch nesting birds. Seeing a mother bird throw her week chicks out of the nest is heartbreaking. Not to mention the torture a poor frog goes through as she tries to feed her ravenous larger chicks since it's a little too big to fit down their throats....it's brutal. A mouse suffers a similar fate. And that's one bird, in one moment in time. Think of the billions and billions of suffering creatures because our world is based on predation. On murder. Completely aside from humans and han behaviour/suffering.

  How can a benign god have designed such a mechanism?

  https://youtu.be/Y02GR9jxhyQ
  
  
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  Is the tide turning against covid vaccines?

  by slimboyfat in

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  have you seen this video about the covid vaccines?

  have you got any views on the information?

  i find it worrying at least.

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  Lol! Well played, Riley, well played

  Really? Sarcasm? How brilliant of you. Riley it's utterly patronising of you to assume exjws cannot understand scientific papers. That we don't have the intelligence to challenge the government narrative. There is nuance here and very few things in this world are all good or all bad. I also tend to assume, when I have no evidence to the contrary that profit is the over riding motive in any situation - not human welfare.

  The Wuhan virus originated in a gain of function lab. This new Boston virus is terrifying and utterly pointless. A monstrous chimaeric virus, it may have an 80% fatality rate in humans ( research based on transgenic humanised mice). How anyone can justify such cavalier behaviour after one lab escape is beyond me.

  (NB Our new British Prime minister has refused in the past to say whether he has financially benefited from soaring share prices associated with a Hedge fund he co-originated called Theleme, which invests heavily in Moderna. Just a thought.)
  
  
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  Kingdom Hall Bomb

  by Dr Jekyll in

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  old news but uncle bruce wanted it dug up.... the guardian.

  22nd july 1985.. man killed in blast.

  at sydney service.. from richard yallop in melbourne.. one man was killed and 70 people were taken to hospital after a bomb exploded yesterday during a jehovah's witnesses service in a kingdom hall in the sydney suburb of lurnea.. the explosion occurred close to the speaker's dais just as mr. david winder, a visiting elder from the sydney suburb of prospect, had begun his address on loyalty to god and the family.

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  It sounds like that poor couple went through hell😔(not to mention the widow and others). For the society to minimise their suffering is horrific. No human interest, no compassion, always about selling the Watchtower angle.

  What I did take away was the immediate aid and support by neighbours, first responders and wider Australian community. Doesn't quite fit with watchtower rhetoric!

  Smid I wonder how these same people in that congregation then, are now going nowadays. ?

  That could be interesting

  Yes, I'd like to know too. I remember the incident well.
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  What decade or era in human history do you like the most or would have liked to live during?

  by Fisherman in

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  in the us, the 60s and 70s was a great time to be alive except for getting drafted if you wanted to be that age.

  they were music years,  greatest movies, fun, simpler and enjoyable days—also except for the d&ugs.

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  Stan The Man here in the UK it was all doing well up to 2019---gone to pieces since.

  Couldn't agree more
  

  Slim1990s was the best decade ever

  Agree even more 😁
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  He’s always leaned heavily on the altruistic nature of what he does and even had Paul Grundy come on here stating he could be earning so much more in the secular world.

  That's just deluded. Even in the UK he would struggle with no professional qualifications - plus he doesn't even have a bachelor's. But he's not in the UK he's in Croatia. Where he's futher disabled by the language barrier, the fact it's a rural area & poorer economy in general. I got the impression he left the UK in part due to debt issues.

  With the money he's making now he's like a pig in shit. He's his own boss & even had the arrogance to expect his unpaid 'employees' to do his dirty work by sorting his wife out so she gets with the programme, too!

  As for spending his money how he wishes, that's not the impression his patreon statement gives, for one. But anyway any number of professions, particularly those connected with child welfare, expect some degree of ethical behaviour in your private life.

  Doctors, nurses, lawyers, teachers, physio's, social workers and policemen can't double life like Jehovah's witnesses can - (unless you're the Bad Lieutenant!)