Posts by Diogenesister

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Jehovah's Witness' bid to be excluded from abuse inquiry dismissed

by Tahoe in

link to article.

a legal bid by the jehovah's witness church to get out of being part of the royal commission of inquiry into abuse in care has been dismissed by the high court in wellington.. after nearly three years of behind-the-scenes legal wrangling to avoid scrutiny from the inquiry, the church applied for a judicial review in june.. at a hearing, held earlier this month it argued it was beyond the inquiry's scope because it did not operate institutions that cared for children or vulnerable people and the inquiry had uncovered no evidence of abuse in that context.. lawyers representing the inquiry argued that jehovah's witness elders - equivalent to ministers or pastors - exercised a level of control over the congregation that allowed them access to children.. the inquiry informed abuse survivors who gave evidence to the inquiry in relation to the jehovah's witnesses of the news this afternoon.. "we have received advice from the high court that none of the causes of action brought by the jehovah's witnesses has succeeded and the application for judicial review has been dismissed.

the judge's reasons are not yet available, but are expected in the near future," the email to survivors, seen by rnz, said.. the church was the only faith-based institution in the country to legally challenge its involvement in the inquiry, although it had attempted to challenge its status in other countries where similar inquiries have also been carried out.. the inquiry said, in a statement, that the dismissal "means the royal commission can continue to investigate the jehovah's witnesses, and all other faiths, in accordance with the pastoral care approach we have been applying since 2019".. "reasons for the high court's judgment are not yet available but are expected in the near future.

Diogenesister

Not FormerThank you yes, went back & read it. Very true.

NFWasn't there a leak that a New Zealand elder said that they had been instructed by Bethel to get a shredder and delete anything CSA related?

Yes I believe so, at least according to an article posted.

This made me chuckle....(from Tahoe's article)

"During yesterday's proceedings, Justice Rebecca Ellis was critical of the overly complicated outlaying of the church's case. Today she quipped she had already worn out her highlighter pen during the church's submissions."

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Jehovah's Witness' bid to be excluded from abuse inquiry dismissed

by Tahoe in

link to article.

a legal bid by the jehovah's witness church to get out of being part of the royal commission of inquiry into abuse in care has been dismissed by the high court in wellington.. after nearly three years of behind-the-scenes legal wrangling to avoid scrutiny from the inquiry, the church applied for a judicial review in june.. at a hearing, held earlier this month it argued it was beyond the inquiry's scope because it did not operate institutions that cared for children or vulnerable people and the inquiry had uncovered no evidence of abuse in that context.. lawyers representing the inquiry argued that jehovah's witness elders - equivalent to ministers or pastors - exercised a level of control over the congregation that allowed them access to children.. the inquiry informed abuse survivors who gave evidence to the inquiry in relation to the jehovah's witnesses of the news this afternoon.. "we have received advice from the high court that none of the causes of action brought by the jehovah's witnesses has succeeded and the application for judicial review has been dismissed.

the judge's reasons are not yet available, but are expected in the near future," the email to survivors, seen by rnz, said.. the church was the only faith-based institution in the country to legally challenge its involvement in the inquiry, although it had attempted to challenge its status in other countries where similar inquiries have also been carried out.. the inquiry said, in a statement, that the dismissal "means the royal commission can continue to investigate the jehovah's witnesses, and all other faiths, in accordance with the pastoral care approach we have been applying since 2019".. "reasons for the high court's judgment are not yet available but are expected in the near future.

Diogenesister

because they do have a hierarchical system that allows adults to have charge over children who aren't their own. Insisting that children be always involved in activities with unrelated adults was always going to create a vulnerability.

They also don't recognise children as children - expecting them to "keep up" with the adults. In terms of trying behaviour standards - such as long hours of meeting attendance even on school nights. But also adult mandated activities e.g. preaching to and with strangers and arranging and giving talks with unrelated adults.

Children get zero consideration due to their age so why would watchtower prioritise their safety?😡

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Diogenesister

Re: Wing Commanders comment agree there's also plenty reading and not joining but equally loads of "throwaway" accounts. Remember you can join pretty anonymously without an email

(Sorry to derail thread guys)

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Diogenesister

NE I know this is off topic, but they're bragging over on Reddit that have gotten 1,000 new members since the anal meeting. For a whopping total of 92,000 members.

I've been a member since there was a couple of thousand and there's very few names I recognise who regularly post from back then. In fact names have changed from even 2 years ago. I've also got a few accounts due to forgetting passwords etc so I'm sure most members have multiple accounts including throwaway accounts (who often get "real" accounts once they're more confident as PIMOs etc).

So I'm sure the number of active members at any one time is far less than 90,000 +

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Lloyd Evans Patreoff Pool - November 2023

by DerekMoors in

let's get the fun started and put in our votes for how far down the pumpkin patch lord of the fries will fall in november.. for those keeping score, last month he started at 457 patrons, did some begging and managed to bump those numbers up to 478, but as of this writing he's down to 439.. so, how well do you think the grift will continue this month?

let us know where you think he'll be on november 2. lucky number 420?

will he drop back down below 400?

Diogenesister

I'll go one less than LMsA at 417 please Toblerone5 and Derek Moors

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Diogenesister

We've got cookies!

Just made some. Condensed milk, chocolate chip & vanilla. C'mon Tibor..... I'll send some in the post! 👹😈😈

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

jw
friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Diogenesister

T5Thank Pruner I had no clue of this. Well Lloyd should feel right at home then in Croatia ... As a former catholic I want to say this is not been a very good " christian" , they made jesus cried by not turning the other cheek 😁 Don't they know bad catholics don't go to heavens...🤣

Hey and what's really interesting per the link that Pr0ner sent me, is that 99.8% of these time wasting "insult & defamation of reputation" cases that are that are thrown out of court are actioned against journalists and activists in an effort to suppress their free speech !!!

Many are whistleblowers like Kim that powerful politicians and organisations seek to shut down. The article says it's the misuse of the law that's the problem and the richer plaintiffs seek to keep the cases going in order to bleed the défendent dry! There are free speech organisations that raise money to help defendants deal with these frivolous cases.

Lloyd Evans the big activist who claims he speaks "for the Silent majority" seeks to silence his own volunteers!😡😡😡

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Selena Vertolomo "The Mower" and her sister Sherrie call into The Six Screens TIME STAMP 2:53

by RESPECTFUL OBSERVER in

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selena vertolomo, former jehovah's witnesses who was sexually abused in watchtower, went to visit tony morris in north carolina.

selena and her sister call in and explain their position.

callers dial in from around the world and ask plenty of questions.

Diogenesister

Does Watchtower sacrifice babies to Jehovah?

Yes ... absolutely it does. And not just babies. Pregnant mothers, elderly cancer patients, leukaemic children, adult accident victims......all in the name of Rutherford's messed up, evil blood doctrine!!

We don't need wacky child sacrifice rumours to accuse watchtower of evil...they do enough already.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Diogenesister

NB out of interest courts give humourous statements far more latitude and a leaflet I read written by an educational institution said quite a few plaintiffs come away with worse reputations than when they began😂

Also, burden of proof is in two parts as follows:-

If the plaintiff can prove the defendant

1. Made a given statement (considered defamatory) the burden of proof is on the défendent to prove :-

2. that the statement did not damage plaintiffs reputation

Burden of proof for 2. In the USA is reversed - Kim & Mikey throw one sentence at old Novosel - New York Times Co.V. Sullivan 1964 😂

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Diogenesister

Pr0ner for defamation or libel to be proved you have to prove the person you're suing knowingly told a lie with intent to harm. As in, saw overwhelming evidence that what they were saying was untrue and still said it. His whole defense is "my word against theirs". The problem is that he will have to prove to a judge his word is good enough

I checked and the insult clause in Croatia (as well as a few other places) is considered by the ECtHR as an antiquated law originally aimed at protection of the office of a public, or government figure.

So...the office of the Head ~~Dickhead~~ EXJW??😂

You are correct it has a very high bar in respect of proof. It is not the Civil 'on balance of probabilities' but the criminal 'beyond reasonable doubt'.

So as you say, Lloyd will have to prove that each one of you made statements of fact (not opinions) intended to cause harm - knowing it was untrue.