Posts by Diogenesister

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Diogenesister

LMsA I think the judge should see this. Dismissal on jurisdictional grounds would actually be doing Lloyd a favour.

Totally

It's also easy to see why Lloyd focused on Cora for doing literally nothing. A beautiful woman, happily married.

Johnathan has more vitriol aimed at him than almost anyone, despite being very peripheral....ok he was first to give Kim a platform, but that doesn't account for it all. Again....to me it seems clear jealousy plays a part in his grudge against Johnathan - aside from good looks he had Lloyds dream life imho. ;)

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Diogenesister

LMsAIn that article he even quoted Dijana’s response to looking “beat down” - “Well thanks a lot!”.

Ha!(and a heads up for KimB.) In the UK we say "down beaten" for the same thing - just a word reversal - to mean emotionally 'put upon'. I reckon even DIJANA took it to mean her face looked haggard and exhausted, hence the "Gee....thanks" type response.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Diogenesister

Me😂Others have pointed out he's targeted people who didn't even name him at a time he wasn't well known and who re tweeted videos they didn't make.

I'm quoting myself now🤪😂but (it just occurred to me)......boy....can that man bare a grudge!😱😱...9 years!!🤪🤪😭😭

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Diogenesister

T5 The thing for me i would love to know is how much that Narcissistic Ego trip tantrum cost Him! the lawyer fees, the translation of the documents , the cost of sending this not to one but 7 people, What an Idiot.

I'd say it was clearly enough to annoy a tightwad like him, but bugger all in the scheme of things.

As Simon pointed out, he went to the nearest local yokel's in Sisak. For a potentially International case around the emerging area of digital media - that's odd. It doesn't engender much confidence.

Others have pointed out he's targeted people who didn't even name him at a time he wasn't well known and who re tweeted videos they didn't make.

I wouldn't place much confidence in lawyers prepared to submit that kind of 'evidence', regardless of their knowledge of Croatia's idiosyncratic libel laws.
So did he pay 'eyewatering' sums? I doubt it. Headed note paper and a couple of tipsy conversations in the local boozer about 'fighting on' for the sake of a 'life saving work'probably didn't cost what he claims it cost.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Diogenesister

They are calling me a wife beater!” So it comes as ZERO surprise he’s brought up a decade old video pointing to the son-in-law saying his wife looks “beat down”.

Wow Lloyd said that??

Well I come from the same part of the world(ish) as Lloyd and that wasn't my take away at all! I knew exactly what Kim's son-in-law meant....it didn't even enter my head that he was insinuating Lloyd got physical with Dijana.🤔🤔🤔

I think Lloyd purposefully misrepresented sons words.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Diogenesister

My daughter got married last weekend and I haven’t had time to look three all the rubbish yet

congratulations Kim and Mr & Mrs. Little Kim!

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Punishment and control: the secret handbook that rules a religion

by Tahoe in

this article is behind a paywall: https://www.smh.com.au/national/punishment-and-control-the-secret-handbook-that-rules-a-religion-20231026-p5ef9z.html.

a herald investigation has uncovered disturbing practices within the jehovah’s witness church, including the systems for discipline, punishment and control in a secret rule book for church “elders”.. australian children in the jehovah’s witnesses religion are being trained to avoid life-saving blood transfusions and parents are being coached to thwart court processes that may prevent their children from dying, internal church documents reveal.. an investigation following an inquest into the death of jehovah’s witness heather winchester, who died in newcastle after refusing a blood transfusion, has uncovered disturbing practices within the australian church, including the systems for discipline, punishment and control contained in the secret rule book for church “elders”.. the church’s blood transfusion ban forces people to choose between risking death by refusing treatment or being “shunned” – cut off from family and friends under the church’s strict rules – according to 16 former and current members of the church interviewed and the testimony of many others.. .

some of them believe it has cost hundreds of lives in australia.. “i think it’s truly dangerous for children, who are not old enough to vote or drive, to be coached about how to convince a judge or doctors about a decision that is potentially life-threatening,” said fleur hawes, 32, a solicitor who escaped the religion and is speaking out for the first time.. in public, the jehovah’s witnesses’ leadership downplays the impacts of its ban on blood transfusions, which are based on interpretations of bible passages that say christians should not eat blood.. .

Diogenesister

Not Former Kerry, as someone who has always been an outsider to JWs (I never joined), I was flabbergasted to find that, two decades after I had lost interest in all things WT, they had abandoned the door to door work, merely to comply with a Govt requirement. The door to door work was sacrosanct, back in the day! It was their go-to distinction that proved that they were "Jehovah's people". And they dropped it like a hot potato at the first sign of government pressure!

The ironic thing is they would say that they stopped the D2D out of love for the brothers and love of neighbour (ie saving lives by not spreading COVID).

So they were going against gods laws in order to save life using the principal of pucket nephesh - So, putting life before all commandments.

Why cant they do the same for the commandment against (eating)blood????

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Diogenesister

May I ask what the reasoning is for not making his submissions public? (I'm guessing so it doesn't prejudice any steps you may take moving forward, maybe??).

Clearly his bonkers beef with Kim & Mikey is a non starter (legal time limit aside) since even old Croatia isn't some feudal regime where parents can be clasped in irons for the "sins" of their offspring🤦🏻‍♀️

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BadAss Bethelites, did they really peak in the 1960's?

by was a new boy in

in the 70's a bethel elder told me that every morning in the 60's the paint and scaffold crew, (which was located on the 5th floor of building 4) would go up to the roof and walk around the perimeter on top of the ledge, which i doubt was more than 12" wide.

then they'd go render sacred service to jehovah..

Diogenesister

Not FormerDiogenesister, sisters did serve at Bethel. Did those who made it have to have close connections with someone already in the hierarchy? Were you told that you could never aspire to such lofty levels (and pairs of socks) by anyone (in as many words)

Socks Lol😂 yes I was told that as a girl I wasn't qualified to serve in God's house! However we were in the UK and I'm not sure it had been very long that Knorr had allowed married couples.

Of course way back, I've since found out, men such as Rutherford brought his lady friend in to Bethel (despite her having zero qualifications - aside from the ones he clearly saw in her). Ive always been slightly fuzzy on where single women stand. I think lawyers/doctors/computer science grads may get exceptions and be allowed as singletons? Maybe someone could clarify it for me, please?

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Punishment and control: the secret handbook that rules a religion

by Tahoe in

this article is behind a paywall: https://www.smh.com.au/national/punishment-and-control-the-secret-handbook-that-rules-a-religion-20231026-p5ef9z.html.

a herald investigation has uncovered disturbing practices within the jehovah’s witness church, including the systems for discipline, punishment and control in a secret rule book for church “elders”.. australian children in the jehovah’s witnesses religion are being trained to avoid life-saving blood transfusions and parents are being coached to thwart court processes that may prevent their children from dying, internal church documents reveal.. an investigation following an inquest into the death of jehovah’s witness heather winchester, who died in newcastle after refusing a blood transfusion, has uncovered disturbing practices within the australian church, including the systems for discipline, punishment and control contained in the secret rule book for church “elders”.. the church’s blood transfusion ban forces people to choose between risking death by refusing treatment or being “shunned” – cut off from family and friends under the church’s strict rules – according to 16 former and current members of the church interviewed and the testimony of many others.. .

some of them believe it has cost hundreds of lives in australia.. “i think it’s truly dangerous for children, who are not old enough to vote or drive, to be coached about how to convince a judge or doctors about a decision that is potentially life-threatening,” said fleur hawes, 32, a solicitor who escaped the religion and is speaking out for the first time.. in public, the jehovah’s witnesses’ leadership downplays the impacts of its ban on blood transfusions, which are based on interpretations of bible passages that say christians should not eat blood.. .

Diogenesister

Everyone I know there's a lot to read but I highly recommend you do. It may give you some ideas for presenting your own local media with this information on the obscenity of pressurising famillies to abstain from giving their children lifesaving blood.