Posts by Diogenesister

Even If you accept that 1.cor 5 is a direct command to shun adult Christians who engage in the sins as listed, what about the many, many witnesses who are shunned for disassociating? Or merely stating they don't accept the two class system for Christian's as per Watchtower doctrine? For not accepting the GB is the faithful slave? For accepting a blood transfusion or for disobeying the branch and reporting child abuse to the authorities? What about the shunning of abuse victims who stop attending meetings their abusers attend and leave the religion that protects them? Victims of domestic violence who leave home - even if they don't remarry??

We hear stories of such shunning again and again!

Our own Barbara Anderson on this board is shunned by her only child and prevented from seeing her grandchild, all for protecting children in the congregations!

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Diogenesister

One point he tried to drill that made little sense was how the book of Deuteronomy only forbade men from dressing like women, not necessarily transitioning to women.

Riiiiight......even bronze age tribal peoples understood human biology well enough to know men can't change sex.....

......but then if Rutherford was doo- lally enough to think men becoming women was a "well established fact" why not cult leader 2.0 Lloyd "Evan's Gate" Evan's?

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New light on shunning?

by Mikejw in

one theory why tony was booted out was because he was a stickler for not changing the shunning doctrine.

he actually said the words we will never ever change it.. they are slowly deleting all of tony’s videos and now losing court cases and losing government hand outs in places like norway.. it’s looking very likely they will release new light on shunning policy after losing this latest one in norway.. .

what are the odds they coincidentally get new light from jehovah and lighten up their shunning policy ?.

Diogenesister

Notty What are the odds they coincidentally get new light from Jehovah and lighten up their shunning policy ?

I agree they're going to have to get around it when it comes to minors, because that's the issue that caught the Norwegian govts attention.

With adults it may have been harder to argue around the whole freedom of belief thing in court.

However they are in a tight spot, because on the one hand the easy, most straightforward solution is to stop minors being baptised in the first place. That way there's no disfellowshipping/shunning of minors without the need to make major doctrinal changes.

But getting kids baptised and locked in through fear of loosing everybody, and everything, they've ever known is just about the only way they get new members. The risk in waiting until the kids of JWs are 18 to get baptised is that it leaves them enough time & maturity to start researching and/or thinking for themselves. The risk they become independent enough - emotionally & financially - to say 'no' to parental demands to join the religion.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Diogenesister

LMsA I doubt there’s much more to the Tibor dispute than money.

Yup. At bottom, Just like Watchtower, with Cedars it's really only about the ¢a$h mon€¥

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Former Kingdom Hall is now a Swaminarayan Temple!

by Atlantis in

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this former kingdom hall is now a hindu swaminarayan temple!

to the far right of the picture, the two tower pillars are obvious by the red and green flags.

https://pdfupload.io/docs/d8e6115a .

Diogenesister

Makes sense for the devil to pool his resources

More Christian bigotry Sea Breeze?

NGL Nic it is kinda funny though😂😂

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Diogenesister

LMsA Not saying he should drop the G entirely as they do in the American South

As they do around here in the London Sarf, too👍🏻

Derek M I love how he makes it a JW Watch bulletin, as if that website is still relevant. O'Donnell did most of the writing in past years and the last entry is one of his from August 2021.

Honestly he should have trading Standards after him for false advertising.....JW Watch my arse!! Without O'Donnell & Kim it's rubbish

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Question on an article back in the late 90s

by greenhornet in

a "sister" that was in "truth" was a discussion one sunday at the meeting .she was in an iron lung ,anyone here might give a link.

i dont want a j dum dot com link.

just curious.. thank you .

Diogenesister

Wow Green hornet - did you ever put your life story down for posterity??

That story is absolutely heartbreaking rending. Iron lungs were a kind of terror when I was young. We would read such stories with awe. Not that anyone my generation had to suffer the terrible effects of polio....thanks to vaccines. Those were the days when medicine was not so profit driven. I had a great aunt with the condition. She walked with calipers and sticks.