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  JW (?) murders wife and mother-in-law

  by Chevelle in

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  according to several spanish ex-jw youtube channels, this is a jw family... but i'm still trying to confirm... .

  https://www.fox29.com/news/mom-daughter-found-stabbed-philadelphia-basement.

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  According to neighbours at least the murdered mother in law (and her husband) were Jehovah's witnesses with possibly the whole family.

  Here's a video including local news reports confirming: https://youtu.be/JIZmJ_ci3kA?si=kGX-8eOTAZqrBo4a
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  How it's done....I give you Wendy Renay😍

  
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  If you're a hot 21 year old super-model* with thick glossy hair half way down your back...red henna looks amazing😍

  .....not so much an overweight, over the hill bloke with a hooter the size of a Boeing Superfortress. And especially over a brassy blonde job

  *Or a hot super mum😜
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  Did God know adam and eve would sin?

  by gavindlt in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  to all those on this forum, i would love to know what your take on this vital question is..

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  Diogenesister

  There's a lot of confusion in my mind around the betrayal & conviction of Jesus. Some is related to my Jehovah's witness Bible "education" (or lack thereof. Does everyone remember when they first learnt regular Christians believed Jesus was God?!😂).

  Any answers much appreciated.

  1. Is it true priests couldn't execute (or condemn for execution) fellow Jews (so hence why they sent him to the Romans to dispose of).

  2. The role of Judas :
  

  (NB I hope I have this right. Please correct me if I don't) Jesus had to bear our sins and die for us on the cross in order for us to benefit from "grace".

  Therefore he had to be "handed over" to his persecutors by someone. As per question one, the priests couldn't execute him themselves, so they manipulated someone raised to have 100%faith and trust in them to not only do the right thing, but to have Gods blessing when they did it. Remember Judas Iscariot was a Jew.There was no thought of starting a new religion at that time. Even Jesus said that not one iota "will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished" Matt 5: 17-18.

  If in order that someone could accomplish Jesus' handing over to his enemies, that person would be forever condemned. So could you argue that Judas sacrificed his eternal life so that ours could be redeemed??

  From a moral standpoint this question has always really bothered me. Especially given that the Bible (and Jesus) chide the Apostles for their total lack of understanding of the situation the whole time!
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  NEW YORK TIMES 10TH MAY: HOW THE JWS COPY THE MORMONS

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://youtu.be/jctod7viuq0?si=bcffiejweq8k-rwn.

  skip to main content.

  jw updates.

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  =unlike the Mormons the Jehovahs Witnesses took to writing letters to strangers and the return address was always their Kingdom Hall and not their personal address.JWs are I'm fear of social media and that is not something that will change anytime soon)

  Hi phil,Thanks for the post. I received two letters from JWs with return addresses on them. One was clearly written by someone elderly and the other by a chap who described himself as disabled and wheelchair bound.

  I was conflicted as to whether to reply with "apostate" information simply because it was their home address. I figured maybe they weren't supposed to give their home address and I didn't want them to feel "cornered" or worry about me knowing where they lived if they decided to view me as satanic or something. 😬

  Was I right not to reply do u think?🤷‍♀️ I still have their letters....
  
  
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  UK Blood Scandal inquiry findings

  by ukpimo in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-69025640.

  how do you feel about this latest inquiry?

  although we expect jehovah's witnesses to use this opportunity to say "we were right all this time", it's nonetheless a historic blow to the nhs.

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  Cofyy Patients needing factor 8 were the most affected group. The WT permitted factor 8 even at the height of the contamination crisis. They have nothing to feel smug about.

  Yes I was giving Jehovah's witnesses factor 8 in the late 80s/early 90s
  
  
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  UK Blood Scandal inquiry findings

  by ukpimo in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-69025640.

  how do you feel about this latest inquiry?

  although we expect jehovah's witnesses to use this opportunity to say "we were right all this time", it's nonetheless a historic blow to the nhs.

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  1. the percentage of people that received infected blood vs total transfusions.

  1. how long the victims lived after receiving blood transfusions.

  1. how many would have died without blood transfusions.

  1. how many had co-mortality issues

  Good points. Most of the haemophiliacs were patients at The Royal Free Hospital in Hampstead - the hospital I trained at. Even in the early 90s out of 500 patients 450 had contracted HIV. They were diagnosed early, were given treatment with AZT and didn't survive. A few patients had made it into the late 90s and good HIV treatments. Your points 4 and 5 apply. Blood was necessary for their survival in the very short term...let alone the mid to long.

  As to Hep C, we had a test for non A non B (which is what we used to call Hep C) waaay back in the early 80s late 70s. The first treatment was interferon in the 90s (a hell of a drug). It was regarded as fairly rare and mainly found among IV drug users because it's only transmitted blood to blood and - rarely - vertical transmission (mother to child).. This is why even to this day you can't donate blood if you were ever an IV drug user.

  So fairly quickly we started testing for Hep C & HIV in donated blood.

  What we have to remember is that yes, many of these infected patients would have died without blood anyway.

  I'm only speaking from personal experience and I'm not aware of the politics around the issue. The hemophiliacs story is heartbreaking and there have of course been tragedies, such as expectant mother's passing on the virus. But again, I personally know the first baby born in Europe to a known HIV +ve mother who was negative. (She's a talented camera woman in her 30s and a new mother herself. Sadly her own mum died just a few years back). So many patients who contracted these conditions lived happy lives for decades with the condition. They may not have lived at all without blood.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  "Channel consultants" huh? .....so he's moved up a level, from scheming to get people to work for free....to a get people on a pay to work scheme!!😳
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  😬could also because he wants to ensure a regular line of communication with well-off patrons!

  He doesn't want to risk this type of patron loosing interest merely because they can't make HIS scheduled meet ups 🤷‍♀️
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  The snake of Genesis 3:1

  by Halcon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we've got some really knowledgeable members on here so i have a question for them and everybody.

  what was the earliest adjective used to describe the snake of genesis 3:1?

  currently one can read words in english translations like 'cunning' and 'crafty'....but in other languages you see words like 'wise' and astute...which convey a completely different idea.. i'm wondering what may have been the earliest and most accurate adjective known or used.

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  It means "shrewd" in the sense of "prudence" in clever knowledge and sight, usually in navigation.

  It almost sounds like the Bible wasn't quite so black and white when this was written. (Ie not the later idea of absolute evil and good)

  Because - well - the snake was right. "In that day" they absolutely did not die, they died much, much later. And they did afterward know right from wrong, or good from bad.🤷🏼‍♀️

  I like the explanation of TWOT:

  😂Funny acronym