Posts by Diogenesister

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Quality Thinking - Warning: Long Post Ahead

by Viviane in

recently, several threads have had some debate about logic, evidence, critical thinking and skepticism.

i wanted to write a post discussing those things, hopefully to clarify what those things are, why they are important and how to use those tools.

first, logic, at its core, is simply a method for how to reason validly, how to draw conclusions based on a premise.

Diogenesister

Hi viv, I didn't open my eyes until I did a philosophy module at the open university...so I totally agree that the Borg's ban on higher education as a way of keeping the "sheeple" ignorant and willing to accept any rubbish they print, is a huge block in getting them to realize ttatt.

I understand the most of your post, but I wonder if you have the time, if you explain the following as you lost me....

In computing, logical operators are used often, AND, NAND, OR, XOR, etc., are used to evaluate expressions and return results, for example, if A>0 AND B>0, then return a value of 1, else return 0".

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SO IM JUST WONDERIN.....

by brandnew in

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friends

as the story of "annointed" ones goes.....when their spouse is left behind on earth, are they free to remarry?

that would kinda suck, being in heaven...watching the wifey , or hubby gettin doinked by someone new.

just sayin.....shewt...i got way too much time on my hands..

Diogenesister

You and me both. I've been mullin' over that one since I was about 15..our elders wife was anointed but he wasn't.

I just figured she was just so super good that she didn't suffer with our lowly emotions such as jelousy or even curiosity. I used to imagine her watching me poop and all sorts. Oh the worries of an indictrinated yoof are many...

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Can disassociated ones get reinstated without proving repentance?

by maksutov in

one of the jw high-ups questioned by the australian royal commission (i think it was o'brien) stated that those who had disassociated (as opposed to being disfellowshipped) do not have to undergo a lengthy reinstatement procedure of proving repentance over many months, but can simply ask to be reinstated immediately.

is this true?

has anyone heard of this ever happening?.

Diogenesister

One brother also moaned about DA'd brothers or sisters walking straight back to the WTS, saying something along the lines of "she can do what she wants for a number of years, while we ['the faithful'] have to suffer being JWs".

ILMAO. Should have said "you've got an eternity of it to look forward to mate..rarther you than me!"

Good O.P.

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Lumped together with Chrisendom

by Diogenesister in

there have been many gratifying moments during the royal commission's investigation into the watchtower society's handling of child abuse cases.

pulling apart the inept dr appewhites "expert" testimony, incompetant dozy elders hung out to dry, o'brien and toole's obfuscations and outright lies to name but few.. surely though in the long term in order to secure adequate redress, or compensation, for victims the grouping together of the wtbts with other of chrisendom's churches, is tantamount to admitting complicity in the sins of all reliigous institutions.

in other words the jw's are a church of sinners just like any other.as i understand it each org will contribute an amount comensurate with the no of their members and other calculations such as no of cases of abuse etc.so far the big boys (contributors)will be the catholic church and the jw's.the fds better start thinking on their feet as to how they are gonna explain this one away.. "get out of her my people if you do not want a share in her sins".

Diogenesister

Is the RC suggesting that institutions found to be mishandling child sex abuse claims should make contributions to a general fund which would then be used to compensate victims? Am I understanding your statement correctly?

Yes, I believe that is what is being suggested. How good would that be ?!they had what the chair, Peter Maclellen called Closed meetings, or something similar, to discuss redress and the Australia Branch co ordinator seemed open to this idea.

Sorry for late reply, I think we are in different time zones.

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Jwfacts tv appearance

by sparrowdown in

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friends

shout out to jwfacts.. just saw the drum.

excellent job !

!.

Diogenesister

Paul you were fantastic, we are so grateful to you. Consice, clear and straight to the point.So glad you mentioned what a great job the Royal Commission are doing too.

PS can I adopt you?!!

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Lumped together with Chrisendom

by Diogenesister in

there have been many gratifying moments during the royal commission's investigation into the watchtower society's handling of child abuse cases.

pulling apart the inept dr appewhites "expert" testimony, incompetant dozy elders hung out to dry, o'brien and toole's obfuscations and outright lies to name but few.. surely though in the long term in order to secure adequate redress, or compensation, for victims the grouping together of the wtbts with other of chrisendom's churches, is tantamount to admitting complicity in the sins of all reliigous institutions.

in other words the jw's are a church of sinners just like any other.as i understand it each org will contribute an amount comensurate with the no of their members and other calculations such as no of cases of abuse etc.so far the big boys (contributors)will be the catholic church and the jw's.the fds better start thinking on their feet as to how they are gonna explain this one away.. "get out of her my people if you do not want a share in her sins".

Diogenesister

There have been many gratifying moments during the Royal Commission's investigation into the Watchtower Society's handling of child abuse cases. Pulling apart the inept Dr Appewhites "expert" testimony, incompetant dozy elders hung out to dry, O'Brien and Toole's obfuscations and outright lies to name but few.

Surely though in the long term in order to secure adequate redress, or compensation, for victims the grouping together of the WTBTS with other of Chrisendom's churches, is tantamount to admitting complicity in the sins of all reliigous institutions. In other words the JW's are a church of sinners just like any other.As I understand it each org will contribute an amount comensurate with the no of their members and other calculations such as no of cases of abuse etc.So far the big boys (contributors)will be the Catholic Church and the JW's.The FDS better start thinking on their feet as to how they are gonna explain this one away.

"Get out of her my people if you do not want a share in her sins"

The innocent's cries have been heard 'clear up to heaven ' indeed.

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ROYAL COMMISSION: ARE JWS TAUGHT TO REFRAIN FROM SWEARING ON THE BIBLE OR NOT? JW.ORG PLEASE EXPLAIN!

by steve2 in

during yesterday's rc proceedings (wednesday 5th august 2015), one of the victim's lawyers questioned mr vincent toole, the jw organization's legal counsel for the australian branch office.

she asked him why at least two of the jw elders who gave evidence last week refused to swear on the bible.

mr toole appear puzzled by her question and said he did not know.

Diogenesister

Back in the 70's and 80's, in England at least, it was definately not allowed due to Math 5.33 -37 . OToole also denied knowledge of theocratic warfare. Now maybe I am a typical super gullible ex JW but I have the feeling that these ivory tower high up's don't have study the mag's like the r&f do, hence once baptised they quickly loose touch with all the current doctrinal minutae . I can't think of any other reason except blatant deception.

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If Jackson is not available due to compassionate reasons, can other GB member take his place?

by Viva la Vida in

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i would think the only christian organization on this planet would be more than willingly send another gb member to australia in order to answer rcs questions, taking the place of jackson who is taking care of his ill farther.

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if someone should show compassion to jackson those are his gb pals.

Diogenesister

And, unlike what Watchtower's attorney has said, there is a caveat to Watchtower's Theocratic War Strategy doctrine having to do with testimony given under oath. Under Watchtower doctrine once a JW places him or herself under a sworn oath to tell the truth then WHATEVER they say has to be true. To put it another way, once a JW places him or herself under a sworn oath to tell the truth Watchtower doctrine forbids them from offering deceptive testimony.

How will tool O'Toole get away with denying he was aware of the concept of theocratic warfare UNDER OATH. Will he now be disfellowshipped for lying? I believe there were more than two witnesses! Let's get up a posse for the JC! Yeha!

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Royal Commission 'affirmation' before giving evidence.

by Esse quam videri in

repeat after me,.

" i do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that the evidence i shall give in the royal commission shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

".

Diogenesister

Guys back in the day I was taught we should not swear on the bible...let your yes be yes and your no be no etc Things have obviously changed

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Many thanks to Simon. This RC Commission is the 'magnum opus'

by Esse quam videri in

this is when all the pieces of the puzzle come together.

many thanks to simon for creating a forum which allows us to get a clear sense of what is happening.

without this forum i would still be wandering in the wilderness.

Diogenesister

Agreed 100%. Simon I am very grateful to you indeed