Lucky enough to see him in the early '90s though
Me too, BoC, I guess not in the UK for you? (always thought you were British with a name like Breakfast of Champions & your avatar pic)
Diogenesister
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John Lee Hooker - Jehovahs Witness
by apostrate ina couple of excerpts from an interview with john lee hooker, american blues legend, a few years before he died in 2001. i found this to be somewhat humorous.. have you been married more than once?.
four times.
i aint never gonna get married again.
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John Lee Hooker - Jehovahs Witness
by apostrate ina couple of excerpts from an interview with john lee hooker, american blues legend, a few years before he died in 2001. i found this to be somewhat humorous.. have you been married more than once?.
four times.
i aint never gonna get married again.
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orphancrow Sometimes, some things are just too much information, right, Flipper?
Ha ha!Waaay to much!
Makes me wanna cry...
🎵"One bourbon, one scotch, one beer!"🎶🎸
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Everybody loves Raymond
by Saintbertholdt ina while ago the user vinman started a forum thread called: "ray franz was an idiot".
the reaction to it was quite negative but i have to admit that the title of that thread was intriguing to me.
by nature i am an iconoclast.
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I'm a selfish bastard.
Nah...challenging accepted norms is not selfish. You had your fingers burnt by the Watchtower - you have learnt well my son.
As to your bastardy I wouldn't care to comment without your asking your mother.
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Everybody loves Raymond
by Saintbertholdt ina while ago the user vinman started a forum thread called: "ray franz was an idiot".
the reaction to it was quite negative but i have to admit that the title of that thread was intriguing to me.
by nature i am an iconoclast.
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Diogenesister
If he accepted it the GB knew he would keep quiet. He would not have been DF'd and the shunning rules would never have been re-introduced.
As is often stated on this forum:
A good (or honourable)deed never goes unpunished!
Interesting example of the complexity of lifes "moral"choices - for us JW black and white thinkers out there!
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Been encouraging my husband to contact his DF'd brother
by atacrossroads inmy husband has a brother he has not spoken too in years not even when he became an adult.
there is a big age gap between them and when his brother was df'd he was still a small child.
his brother was 17 when he was df'd for sex and when he turned 18 he left home and never looked back.
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I say go for it. What's the worse that can happen, they dont talk to each other?!!
You know you only live once. Your only gonna have so many siblings. Can you at least determine for sure if your husband would shun him. If not, you have your green light!
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Everybody loves Raymond
by Saintbertholdt ina while ago the user vinman started a forum thread called: "ray franz was an idiot".
the reaction to it was quite negative but i have to admit that the title of that thread was intriguing to me.
by nature i am an iconoclast.
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Diogenesister
Franz wanted to rule the world like everybody else
Ha ha So true! Except maybe if your Jesus Christ...no, wait.....didn't...?!
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Everybody loves Raymond
by Saintbertholdt ina while ago the user vinman started a forum thread called: "ray franz was an idiot".
the reaction to it was quite negative but i have to admit that the title of that thread was intriguing to me.
by nature i am an iconoclast.
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Diogenesister
Possibly both. The threads on the forum say that the accusations were made by a boy. Decades later a (now grown) man by the name of Mark Palo made the accusation on video.
Well that alone TOTALLY blows the whole 'appointed by holy spirit'bs. Maybe the odd elder could slip through the net but a GB member?I thought big J could see the future, being omniscient n'all.
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Everybody loves Raymond
by Saintbertholdt ina while ago the user vinman started a forum thread called: "ray franz was an idiot".
the reaction to it was quite negative but i have to admit that the title of that thread was intriguing to me.
by nature i am an iconoclast.
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Diogenesister
Wasn't his silence complacency?
Ray Franze was an old fashioned guy. At the risk of sounding mawkish, was it not a case of
"If you cant say something nice don't something at all".
Also, and I may be wrong here, was not Leo Greenlees made to leave because he was gay - not a pederast.
Regarding the correspondence, I get what you are saying. I have always felt that folk seem to go far for three reasons
They are intelligent
They dilligent/meticulous
They are energetic/hard working
Of the three the last two are far and away the most important ( In fact in my experience the first alone is more of a handicap than anything!). It seems to me Ray Franze had at least the first two characteristics in abundence which may explain the (well organized) attachment to his correspondence. But yes, he would have been foolish not see it coming and for him to say he didn't seems a little disingenuous.
Leading on from that, what I find interesting is that he so obviously didn't trust Gods 'loving, only true' Christian organization in the least!
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1975 all over again!!!
by John Aquila inwt study edition jan. 2015.
here is the bait:.
as the number of kingdom proclaimers increases and as we near the end of this system of things, there is an urgent need for more facilities.
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Diogenesister
Diogenesister, that is very interesting to me, so this lady you mentioned has traveled all over the world and probably done a lot and is now unhappy and lonely. I've met people who have not traveled at all, have not done much in their life and have lived in the same place all their life with the same person and yet are extremely happy in their 80s -90s
Hey JohnA
re: the Walkill folks I think what I mean is that belief may not even be an issue anymore. As is often pointed out its the social thing that attracts them.
My elderly friend has a lot going wrong with her physically and hates it. Getting old if you are sick is lousy, lets face it, and as you mentioned she has done a lot and she is railling against losing her health and old age which she did not expect to happen.
In her case though, I think what really hurts is she lost her husband & daughter to alcoholism many years ago and I think the thought of never seeing them again, which has always been her hope, is worrying her very very much.
She has been through a lot. She came to england from Jamaica, following a husband that she loved in the days when it was hard for a black person to find work or a place to live. She told me she cried many tears. She worked washing dishes at first, even though she was a seamstess, as it was the only job a black person could get, and brought her five brothers and sisters over. They all paid her back in full. She told me told me the only people that would employ you in better jobs where Jewish, and eventually got a job as a seamstress.
Added to her daughters death and bad health I think her sadness comes from the changes in the org and having to face a death she was promised to be exempted from.
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Blindingly Obvious - But Not to J.W.'s
by The Searcher inif a fellow j.w.
asked a publisher/pioneer/missionary j.w., "how are your hours this month", they will gladly reveal how many hours they've racked up "for jehovah.".
now ask them, "how much money have you contributed to kingdom interests this month", they'd look at you as if you were beelzebub himself, and tell you that that was "personal.
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There is an expression in new Zealand 'every time a coconut' which means typical!Every time same old rubbish.
With Searcher it should be 'Every time a golden nugget'.
Searcher has a nack of hitting the nail right on the head. Imagine if in church you had to record every loving or charitable act you did. Preaching hours are the JW equivalent of the soup kitchen. Well they are feeding everyone poisonous gruel.