Posts by Diogenesister

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The TOP 5 Most Dangerous Teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses

by park ave boy in

first i want to say happy new year to everyone here including you lurkers!

i was able to get away with my whole family for xmas and new years up to maine away from everything.

i mean everything and it felt great.

Diogenesister

I agree with OrphanCrow and JookB that Blood is the no. 1 dangerous doctrine. Many deaths result in this obscene,confused and petty test of obedience . Death can never be undone OR forgiven by the victim, which is why it sits way above all other issues. Child abuse sits at no 2 for me. In this I include all forms of abuse - sexual, physical or corporal punishment through to the cruelty of insisting kids sit through unsuitable, inappropriately violent or sexual Old Testament talks with threats of violence should they be unable to keep still/awake etc. I also include in cruelty the relish some JW's have for saying NO and depriving kids of fun like birthday cake and gifts or school Xmas performances. Another form of child abuse is the constant threat of withdrawal of parental love should the child not 'perform'the JW role to approved standards.

I agree that unquestioning obedience to the slave is a prerequisite to all the dangerous doctrines on the list but I'm going for the current specific and potentially changeable doctrines - as of course without obey the slave doctrine, well, the JW's would cease to exist!!

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Should doctors tell JW patients that there is disagreement about Watchtower's blood policy.

by Lee Elder in

this has been a controversial issue among doctors and medical ethicists.

i think it basically comes down to the fact that physicians have a responsibility to establish the presence of informed consent.

is it really possible for a person to give informed consent if they are not accurately informed?.

Diogenesister

I remember years ago having haemophiliac witnesses taking blood fractions in the form of factor 8 and I would always wonder if they knew how much blood had been donated to manufacture that stuff. I feared explaining it to them in case they refused treatment . JW always have so many visitors as a rule and I would drive them away if my patient was having factor 8 in case any of them made trouble. Back to the op....are doctors aware of UNDUE influence???? And the absolute RUBBISH jw spout about how many deaths are caused by transfusions etc...here's an example of the sort of out of date misleading info Witnesses are given/proliferate on the blood issue..any REFUTATIONS to the last one would be very welcome...

Using faulty and misleading information, enemies of Witnesses claim that "thousands" have supposedly died because of refusing blood, yet how does this compare to the millions who have died from being given blood in the same period of time?!

The facts show that there is absolutely no proof that anyone has ever died because of refusing blood.

"The bloodletting of yore has been superseded by blood transfusion. Of all the ridiculous medical practices of the past and present times, this present blood craze is the worst." - -Dr. G. Boni and Dr. P.Lafarge, "Let's Live", March 1970

"If blood was a new drug it wouldn't receive a product licence."--Tom Lennard, Royal Victoria Infirmary

"Initially in the acute stage the exact fluid chosen, provided that it is not positively harmful, is relatively unimportant. Later, once the circulatory volume has been expanded, the specific requirements for a particular case must be taken into consideration."--Anaesthesia, July 1968, p. 416.

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The Gates Ajar and Charles Taze Russell

by slimboyfat in

i was listening to beyond belief yesterday, a radio 4 programme that treats religious ideas as worthy of consideration and discussion.

yesterday they were talking about belief in the afterlife.

they mentioned something i'd never heard of before.

Diogenesister

Very interesting...wish I'd caught the programme. I wonder if this book is available on project Gutenburg??

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The Watchtower is not invincible

by Coded Logic in

despite claims to the contrary, there's no guarantee the watchtower will be around in a few decades time.

and it seems to me there's ever mounting evidence that the opposite may well be true.

but it's not just that recruitment is down and their defectors are up.

Diogenesister

I really believe the watchtower as a religion will be completely washed up within a hundred years TOPS.

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The Lion Awakes

by eric hendrickson in

my name is eric hendrickson.

i have been on a journey led by the holy spirit which has brought to this point that has allowed for me to open the seventh seal and understand god's master plan.

i am the lion from the lost tribe of judah who has come to the world and be the messiah king.

Diogenesister

Welcome dude...wow what a post! Looking forward to many more...having said that I am 🐕more of a dog person myself.🐶

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Wanna take a trip to Wallkill and Bethel?

by Bonnie_Clyde in

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friends

just got my annual advertisement from illinois international travel (apparently run by jws).

for $1,199 i can take a tour from september 17-25. why are they printing so much bible literature if the witnesses are supposed to be using tablets?.

saturday: first stop at new yorks newark airport, then transferred to a marriott hotel.

Diogenesister

Freddo

Cockney Lad: "Yay! We're off to Clacton wiv a bucket and spade in a Charabang

Freddo What's a charabang? Always wanted to know as its in a strangler's song...thought it must be somfink Arabic...

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Should I send my condolence?

by James Mixon in

i was really close to this family, it's.

been over 20 years since i saw them last.

but the husband an elder in his 70's .

Diogenesister

James it sounds like your ex wife's husband was getting jealous of YOU being such a big important part of all their lives...

Reach out to your good friend...do what feel's right ....don't let the borg change your good nature, they have no power over you now.

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Beards galore at the Assembly

by Truthexplorer in

ok, at our recent assembly, i noticed that there were quite a lot of brothers wearing beards.

not just the older dudes, but right across a range of ages, young men, middle aged men and older men.

is watchtower beginning to relax this rule at last?

Diogenesister

Scully ha ha ha!!!!! Fanny chap. Ouch. Sounds nasty. If her husband had grown a beard too they would haul them both into a JC!!!!!

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The worst gift of Christmas

by GrreatTeacher in

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friends

everybody gets one, the gift that stared up at you hopefully from its beautiful wrapping, and then, like a deflated balloon, delivers the worst gift ever.. i'm not talking about the gifts from small children like the "greatest aunt" coffee mug or the red and black lace folding fan.

surely you never would have chosen them for yourself, but it's the thought that counts from small people who love you.. then, there's the what the hell were they thinking gifts.

my mother-in-law has been giving these a lot lately.

Diogenesister

From a sister in law who was jealous of me/us.....an empty sardine can...painted glossy red...to use as an ashtray ( new young mum with tiny baby...didn't smoke)

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The Pain of Coming to a Decision

by daniel-p in

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friends

it's been at least a couple years since i've posted anything on here, and much longer than that since when i was active.

ten years ago i first came here all in turmoil over my disillusionment of my beliefs.

i've been through lots of ups and downs since then.

Diogenesister

I think you need to tell her how you feel. As to waking her up the Socratic method works best....things like " I've heard a lot of worrying things about child abuse ( show arc site) if there are so many peadophile elders, can they really be appointed by holy spirit? What do you think? "Then let her work it out for herself. Gently coach her critical thinking skills,they will be rusty..encourage don't berate with argumentative attitude or just spout facts. If she "discovers" ttatt herself it will become " her own" and not a source of resentment toward you.

Its good you want to protect your kids from cult indoctrination. However, who knows..if you'd forced the issue previously you may have driven her back to their arms and confirmed their prejudices. You did what you thought best at the time it as you've matured you've realized the danger the cult poses to your kids.

Do get marriage guidance councilling..