Posts by Diogenesister

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Are JWs "mind trained" to be habitual liars?

by nonjwspouse in

i don't mean overly obvious, or otherwise meaning to cause harm, but taught to lie for the purpose of avoidance.

this type of lying can be pervasive in areas of life that are not just to avoid discussions with people who have questions about the jw, etc.

my husband will lie/be deceitful about the silliest, simple things.

Diogenesister

I agree with this 1000%. Once lying is normalised it becomes pervasive in other areas of life, and hard to shake. Even the jw "story telling" that you mentioned often leads other types of more concrete lies - since these " stories" like jw urban legends, they know are not really true yet they continue to peddle them.

As to lying to the General public it's endemic. Even Antony Morris 3rd, when cornered by a reporter asking about the ARC stated he could not talk since he was going to preach the ' good news of the kingdom' *As* he ducked inside a building. A silly lie because it was so obviously untrue. Yet he couldn't help himself. Lying to non jw's is A OK.

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Another JW Urban Legend Thread

by Funchback in

threads about jw urban legends are nothing new on this forum.

they are loads of fun to read.

how many of you remember the one about the teenager who skipped the meeting and decided to get into a car with his worldly friends and they worldly guys decided to rob a store and the jw didn't know they were going to do so but he was arrested simply for being with them?.

Diogenesister

jookbeard "Dubs on meds" would be a great name for a band composed of exJW'S.

PAGING FLIPPER!!

The smurf story in various guises was all over the UK. I also heard a few cautionary Indian religion "demon" stories since we had a large Hindu population.

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Subliminal images - why and who are the individuals behind it?

by UnshackleTheChains in

i remember about 5 years ago reading on another site about subliminal images in wt literature.

i honestly thought it a load of bs until i checked out one glaringly obvious image of a creepy skull in clouds within the knowledge book.

i was shocked and even showed my wife at the time who thought it was creepy.. so my question is why?

Diogenesister

Days of future past What I find hilarious is the ubiquitous LION in the foreground. I'd like Compound Complex ( madly hard work, I know) or any other pro artist to tell us, over the years if it's the SAME lion??!! My husband and I have a bet that its CLarence the cross eyed lion ( with eyes now paradise PERFECT, obvs!!! )!

Co Complex I used to think it was all bunkum but I *do* take the advice of professional artists as to whether there is, or has been in the past, some kind of subliminal craziness going on.

Artist's own Easter eggs absolutely, yes, given that artists cannot SIGN their work that absolutely makes sense in order to identify them.

And I also say 'in the past' because I think in the days of FRANZ et al it was far more likely to happen, given their almost God-like narcissism and probably disregard for what other witnesses, before or after, thought of their behaviour. Oh, and they were SERIOUSLY NUTS.

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More boring baby stuff and wife's first birthday

by Darkknight757 in

hello just giving a quick baby update again.

we went for another growth scan yesterday which marks 26 weeks, 4 days and the genetics dr. felt that we needed to head to hospital for labor and delivery.

so as of now the wife is being monitored and the hope is she can stay until delivery which hopefully will be a few weeks.

Diogenesister

oh my, my thoughts are totally with you ( am in UK btw). Oh I so hope you can get some more time for the baby inside mum but as you say once baby is not safe inside, or rarther not being oxygenated and/or nourished inside then they of course have to care for the child outside the womb...it happened with us because one of my boys wasn't growing, like yourselves poor placenta.

I wish you all the very best, do keep us posted. This is perhaps one of the most traumatic things anyone can go through and I hope YOU have someone to offload on...anyone...as you are having to be the strong one right now, I know it's a tough time for Dads.😥XXX

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More boring baby stuff and wife's first birthday

by Darkknight757 in

hello just giving a quick baby update again.

we went for another growth scan yesterday which marks 26 weeks, 4 days and the genetics dr. felt that we needed to head to hospital for labor and delivery.

so as of now the wife is being monitored and the hope is she can stay until delivery which hopefully will be a few weeks.

Diogenesister

OMG dark knight I too had premature twins so I understand a little of what you are going through.

please let **nothing get between you and the safe delivery of your sweet baby and LIFE of your wife and little one**. You, of course, have totally done all the right things, and if baby needs blood so be it. Sadly relationships with parents in this situation take a back seat for now.

I hope with all my heart things go well, make SURE your wife bed rests as much as possible . Lets hope the delivery doesn't take place for another 4 weeks to be safe. I guess you know all the in's and outs by now, I'm sure the doctors have informed you.

Please please take care of YOU and your wee family and keep us informed as much as u are able, or feel like of course.Be assured our thoughts and love are with you.

XXXXXXXX💓💓💓

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My parents found out

by BlackWolf in

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so in my last post i talked about how i had told my younger siblings how i didn't plan to get baptized or ever be a witness.

i thought i could trust them but i guess i was wrong, they're just kids after all.

my oldest brother (who's 11) told on me today.

Diogenesister

I'm going to take a wild guess and say it's because he wants the attention and adoration being baptised will bring ( for about 5 minutes). As a boy he might also enjoy wielding power over his big sister - DA DA DA DA....DUBMAN !!! You could make him a cape LoL!

Srsly tho your parents don't seem too bad if they are happy for u to just pretend, and they won't force you. I would only recommend a move in with Aunt if u know her very, very well and she is totaly willing to take on all parental responsibility. You are still young. Go easy, work hard at school and aim for college.

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Who Is An Apostate?

by NeonMadman in

maybe you've heard the story of a brother in the watchtower's writing department who was very smart, hard working and a good writer.

we'll call him charley.

charley was so good, in fact, that he advanced through the ranks and became a co-editor of the watchtower magazine.

Diogenesister

Very powerful, very thought provoking and, of course, Interesting. No question that any jw would be forced to agree - he was an apostate.

Would you be able to expand on the differences the two had over the ransome issue? I'd be really interested if you would, thank you👍

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Report from Japan

by wifibandit in

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anon in japan says:.

i served in the third circuit of shikoku japan.

a few years ago, a well-known theocratic family disassociated.

Diogenesister

In fact I think I can think of a counter example. Internet access has taken longer to grow in Germany than the UK for example, despite Germany being more prosperous. Yet JW growth has been more sluggish in Germany over the past two decades than in the UK. It's weak evidence either way, yet if the Internet significantly slowed growth we might expect the opposite pattern, ceteris paribus.

Actually I believe this is probably a good example of your previous point . Until *very recently* I'd be willing to bet there is a lot more net migration into Britain than Germany and with our colonial past a good deal of these people were from 3rd world Commonwealth countries, such as the Caribbean and Africa, with a traditionally very religious culture. I believe that's were you'd find the growth, rarther than from native Britons. Unless the birth rate of the two countries is significantly different.

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Report from Japan

by wifibandit in

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anon in japan says:.

i served in the third circuit of shikoku japan.

a few years ago, a well-known theocratic family disassociated.

Diogenesister

Not sure internet access is an important variable.

I know co-relation is not causation but come on - the only countries with any real growth are the poorer lands in Africa and some South American countries which common sense would dictate have way less access to the internet.

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(Not so) Subliminal Shave Your Beard Message

by Funchback in

i'm in the middle of dissecting the june 2017 jw broadcasting video.. in the first minute, they summarize a story about a guy who apparently was a one-time bad ass (showed a picture of him with a beard while posing on a chopper).

then, they show him shaving at the exact same moment the narrator is saying how he regained "a clean conscience".. this no-beard obsession by the jws is beyond nuts.. .

Diogenesister

John DaviesThere are employers who make rules like that. If you want to be part of an organisation and they have a rule like that, you have to follow the rule.
Funchback !!! And you are correct when saying the Watchtower is an employer. A publishing company, actually

Oh LOL! JW's love their "illustrations" and this one hit the nail on the head!!!!

The Watchtower Organization has always been an employer - a publishing corporation actually - and like any employer it makes up the rules.

*Business dress code is essential to maximize financial returns*.

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Personally, I think the GB has a pathological inability to say it was wrong. Perhaps because they have had to publicly change their minds so many times in the BIG things, its just too painful to do a U-TURN on the small things. That's my tupence worth, anyway 😉