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  Jehovah's people are not happy people

  by Phoebe in

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  i finally stopped attending the meetings about 4 months go.

  i won't be going back - ever.. but i've decided the best reply to the watchtower is to be happy and i do try to be happy every day even thought i wasted my entire life on this religion.

  i cherish every day, practice mindfulness and do my best to be content with the life i have.. it is only now that i see that most jws i know are deeply unhappy people.

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  PheobeIt's a strange, but nice feeling, taking each day as it comes without worrying that I'm not good enough and if I didn't do better God would kill me. Jeez! 60 odd years of that!!! I can't get the time back but think myself lucky that I did finally see the truth and been set free.

  Many awake younger JWs don't know whether they should help awaken their 50 plus mum's and Dads , often very depressed people on meds, who bemoan their lack of friends at the hall. One lassie's mum's husband left her, she was desperately miserable until she found a hobby and a wonderful worldly friend. Well, wouldn't you know it they guilted her into giving that up in order to " do more" for the Org.

  I would love people like her to see your post - I always encourage them wake their parents unless their is a very particular extenuating factor.
  
  
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  Gaslighting

  by mann377 in

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  ever heard of it?

  i have but never realized the full meaning.

  this is the tactic the wtbs uses to control people.

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  And they are so, so clever to stick random ( in the sense they have nothing to do with their claims) Bible quotes in amongst that toxic rubbish.

  I mean ok, no one should be " quickly shaken from ( their) reason," but really what in hells name has that to do with sticking with the WTBTS???
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  What happened in 1995?

  by pale.emperor in

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  i was born in 1984 so was only 9yo in 1995. i read on various posts on here and on other websites about false expectations about 1975 and 1995. i'm aware of the 1975 failure but what was said in 1995?.

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  Armageddon delayed......again.
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  why jw's commit suicide?

  by notalone in

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  we all know the rate of suicide is high among jw's.

  my question is this- was there some subliminal messages that encourage this.

  i was a born in and my entire life i would have these thoughts that could come out of nowhere,"kill yourself.

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  MOrpheus If you only knew one suicide in however many years in a big city I would say you were very lucky. Check out the exjw reddit sub - we get postings grieving the death of friends ( accompanied with newspaper articles often) every few weeks. They tend to be young, tragically, and stuck in (Pimo) or DF and shunned.

  Perhaps you are right, some of these people would have suffered depression anyway, JW or not .Perhaps the statistics for jw's are the same as for the General population. But I would say two things to you.

  1) control has increased over the years

  2) shunning has increased, too

  This has made things worse since your day
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  why jw's commit suicide?

  by notalone in

  1. jw
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  we all know the rate of suicide is high among jw's.

  my question is this- was there some subliminal messages that encourage this.

  i was a born in and my entire life i would have these thoughts that could come out of nowhere,"kill yourself.

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  Telling children that the world is going to end in destruction is a form of child abuse, because they are black and white thinkers and don't have the psychological coping skills to cope with the idea of world destruction. Some children may conclude that the only way for them to avoid the future doom, is to die now.

  This was me Pete Zahut
  
  
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  why jw's commit suicide?

  by notalone in

  1. jw
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  we all know the rate of suicide is high among jw's.

  my question is this- was there some subliminal messages that encourage this.

  i was a born in and my entire life i would have these thoughts that could come out of nowhere,"kill yourself.

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  They often don't care about themselves enough to get good help or don't have the energy to do so.

  Absolutely Dubstepped people with mental illness often " fall through the cracks" if they don't have anyone who is willing to seek help for them. Either because they don't approve of the help offered, like JWs, are being shunned or they just don't pick up on the cues.

  Remember most depressed people don't see a lot of people and withdraw into themselves. This alone puts JWs at risk since if you fail to get involved in JW life you will be pre-emptively shunned too, making them even more alone.
  
  
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  why jw's commit suicide?

  by notalone in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we all know the rate of suicide is high among jw's.

  my question is this- was there some subliminal messages that encourage this.

  i was a born in and my entire life i would have these thoughts that could come out of nowhere,"kill yourself.

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  Dubstep The constant talk about this wicked world and how awful daily life in it is robs people of the ability to see any beauty around them, another contributor to severe depression.

  liike

  This is a big One. It is also effectively what Xianthippe was saying...everything is pointless, worthless etc

  
  sorry for all the posts but this subject really grinds my gears.
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  why jw's commit suicide?

  by notalone in

  1. jw
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  we all know the rate of suicide is high among jw's.

  my question is this- was there some subliminal messages that encourage this.

  i was a born in and my entire life i would have these thoughts that could come out of nowhere,"kill yourself.

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  secondly take a look at the interactive map and you will see that where religion predominates the suicide rates are lower - Spain, Italy. In fact most of the Southern med. On average most Muslim countries too.

  Ruby I think you'll find the reason for this is the close family bonds.

  Watchtower threatens, or actually, takes that away, tears familys apart.
  
  
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  why jw's commit suicide?

  by notalone in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we all know the rate of suicide is high among jw's.

  my question is this- was there some subliminal messages that encourage this.

  i was a born in and my entire life i would have these thoughts that could come out of nowhere,"kill yourself.

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  Slimboyfat Is right when he says Watchtower makes it impossible to gather any statistical evidence, and that in itself gives us some clue.

  I am on reddit and there tends to be a younger crowd, many of whom are PIMO. The number of posts grieving for friends who have committed suicide is heartbreaking. Many have recently been DF and are being shunned, many are gay - which is another horrible thing WT does - gay JWs are in the worst of situations, be lonely or be dead at Armageddon. Then again if they feel they can't control their thoughts they are finished. Its heartbreaking.

  JWsuicides are one of the things that make me incredibly angry and upset.
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  An infographic I just created...

  by HappyHappyHappy1914 in

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  hey everyone.

  i don't post here often, but i lurk pretty much everyday.

  i just created the following infographic based on the recent yearbook stats.

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  Brilliant piece of work Happy1914!!