Posts by Diogenesister

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Did Jesus pre exist? Yes or no?

by UnshackleTheChains in

when i first became a witness, i always found the teaching about jesus being the arch angel michael hard to swallow.

i did however believe that jesus pre existed as a master worker alongside god (the first of his creation).. but now everything is brought into question having watched anthony buzzard explain why jesus could not have pre existed as it is impossible to pre exist yourself.

also the fact that it all sounds contradictory to suggest, he was already alive millions of years before he was transferred to mary's womb to be born as a human - the son of man?.

Diogenesister

Unshackle the chains can I ask, please.

Is Antony Buzzard saying, in effect, that " the word" was God's plan? That Jesus *did not* exist before he was begotten in Mary's womb. That he was part of GOD.

I always thought, if you existed for eons, had that wisdom, then became human and withstood enormous cruelty yet maintained your integrity, as commendable as that is, it would be much easier to accomplish than had you *just* been created, as a human. Death for 3 days wouldn't seem so fearful, either.

So he is saying not only that Jesus is not the Archangel Micheal ( pretty much proven) but did not pre-exist at all. Except in God's plan ???

JHine The adding of "else" in John is utterly false, isn't it?!!

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2017 Annual Meeting

by Jules Saturn in

this just in from the 2017 annual meeting:.

1. watchtowers and awakes won't be released regularly, at least three watchtower and awakes per year.

6 magazines a year.. 2. a new book is being released: remain in god's love, more of an update like how they did for the what does the bible really teach book.

Diogenesister

Let's hope that Spanish figure it out and start exiting the doors fast!!!

A Spanish translation of "crises of Conscience" would be a boon.

That Deborah Drexla has got a lot to answer for. Why doesn't she hand over copyright to someone with the nouse to get the job done.

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Does JW Org Have Goons Like Scientology?

by Counter-Watchtower in

i guess this would be a good question to ask.

does jw org have goons they send after ppl to threaten them?

or to inflict violence on?

Diogenesister

Ok. So This is something someone posted on exjwreddit.

A couple thought it would be a cool idea to get engaged at the new Borg HQ in Warwick. They found a really lovely looking Gizebo by the lake and decided it was the perfect spot!

So the chap proposed, the lady said yes and they celebrated by taking some pictures of themselves at the gizebo to commemorate their engagement.

Just then a bunch heavy-type "goons" came running down the hill.

They took the camera away and made them destroy the pictures. They said it's for the GB to use the Gizebo for their meeting on a Wednesday morning, if the weather's fine.

The site was especially chosen because it can't be seen from the outside for 360° around The gizebo!!! And they don't want anyone taking photos because they don't want people to start to idolize the site, and turn it into some kind of shrine!!!

This chap assures us he was an eyewitness to this event. So, were they "goons" or just over-zealous security types?

One thing I do know - there's very little that most jw won't do for the GB.

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The upcoming protest at Warwick on November 5th

by UnshackleTheChains in

hey all.. just saw this video about the upcoming protest at warwick on november 5th.

it looks like some momentum is building up to it.

but what i really want to know is will it have much impact?

Diogenesister

Not sure about the idea of involving other religions, as doing so may be seen as a conflict of interest on the part of the churches involved.

Yes Pete you have a very good point.

I think letting the religious community know about Watchtower's cruelties generally is good, because people with a belief in GOD are obviously more vulnerable to being converted.

But - as yourself and Steve 2 mention - a ' rent a crowd' from competing churches would detract from the message, and give Watchtower ammunition against them.

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Child Sacrifice among Jehovah's Witnesses

by Lee Elder in

this updated article at ajwrb explores some of the roots of child sacrifice that the watchtower essentially encourages jehovah's witness parents to observe.

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http://ajwrb.org/watchtower-sacrificial-lambs.

Diogenesister

mistake

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The upcoming protest at Warwick on November 5th

by UnshackleTheChains in

hey all.. just saw this video about the upcoming protest at warwick on november 5th.

it looks like some momentum is building up to it.

but what i really want to know is will it have much impact?

Diogenesister

This lass is ringing local churches and the general Warwick community and letting them know about the upcoming protest. She's wonderfully articulate and super approachable so makes a very good impression. I truly wish them all the best and if I lived in the USA I'd be there in a heartbeat.

https://youtu.be/FQpQK3Hr_y4

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meetings 18+ only

by Akid48 in

the title was a joke but i going to tell a story that happend to me a a meeting.. there was a brother giving a talk now from my other post there are like 4 teens and 10 or more kids 5 to 8.now the brother just said now most of you kids will be getting asked have you lost your virginity.now all the teens are 13 like more or a year older you havent had sex but they dont care.. but the young kids most likey just asked there mom and dad when they got home ''mom dad whats my virginity''?.

just my god man what the fuck where you thinking when writeing that..

Diogenesister

Oh boy are you ever right! In appropriate isn't the word!! To be honest I've heard of believing JW women saying they won't take their young kids to meetings. They also don't like the violent imagery, too, and very late meeting finishes. Seriously, modern parents won't tolerate this sort of thing.

And of course born-in parents remember the embarrassment, fear and boredom from their own childhoods, too.

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Just Got Dubbed..

by snugglebunny in

jw
friends

so there i was earlier today, enjoying a spot of lunch in a pleasant little cafe whilst out shopping, when up came a fella i vaguely recognised from the dim and distant past just as i was tucking into my highland soup with bread roll and butter..

"i would never ignore you you know".. "eh?

what" i ventured wondering wtf is this all about.

Diogenesister

Nice to know you haven't changed too much after so many years !

I wonder....do you think he was looking for an opening? A kindred spirit, perhaps? After all it must be very disheartening for dubs that diddly squat has happened so far....103 years and counting.

Sounds to me like someone who knows he was wrong holding out an Olive branch.....(?)

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"We don't venerate idols or images!"

by stuckinarut2 in

how often did we as witnesses say something like this : "unlike members of false religion, who venerate or worship through statues or idols, we give our focus to jehovah!".

members of religious groups focus their religious adoration via an image or statue.

they do this in order to provide some sort of focus to their need to worship.. witnesses give extreme focus on the name "jehovah" .

Diogenesister

Of all the bizaro things to object to.....a choir. Any idea why the society had a thing about choirs? Or was it just a case of " anything remotely fun we don't do".

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Interesting conversation with JW friend

by Jules Saturn in

i was withh a friend of mine who is a jw still and for whatever reason we started talking the bible.

i asked him about lazarus and how is that when he died he paid the price of sin, but then jesus resurrected him.

and i asked him "where is lazarus today?

Diogenesister

.June's Saturn I even explained to him, that it's like a person who feels lust for an animal.

I don't even think it's that simple. I mean as you said last is a human trait, so it's like us having the trait of another species...The behavioural instincts of another species.

Say like a bird has the trait or instinct to build nests. It's like a human suddenly collecting sticks and twigs and trying to build a nest.....then settling down to roost, picture that!!! It was something utterly contrary to their nature - like nest building is to us!!