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  Watchtower Loses an Appeal

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  publication court of appeal, fourth appellate district division one state of california osbaldo padron, plaintiff and respondent, v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc., defendant and appellant.findingwatchtower has abused the discovery process.

  it has zealously advocated its position and lost multiple times.

  yet, it cavalierly refuses to acknowledge the consequences of these losses and the validity of the court's orders requiring it to produce documents in response to request number 12. and, in a further act of defiance, watchtower informed the court that it would not comply with the march 25, 2016 order 39 requiring it to produce documents responsive to request number 12. the court, following lopez, supra, 246 cal.app.4th 566, as an incremental step toward terminating sanctions if watchtower persists in its unjustified conduct, imposed monetary sanctions.

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  Diogenesister

  Have they seen the writing on the wall?

  As every good Jehovahs witness child knows, mene mene terkle Parsin means:
  

  Caverlier recalcitrant litigant!!!
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  Chapter 40 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave

  by new boy in

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  2. friends

  chapter 40 .

  so doc you can see i’m screwed .

  i took her advice and in the spring of 2001 went to a psychiatrists.

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  Diogenesister

  There are many signs that will tell you when your marriage is doomed.

  I believe lying is the number one thing. I don’t care how many more years you are together when the lying starts your days are numbered.

  Couldn't agree more. I believe I've read that [ spoiler alert] you did, in fact, seperate in the end? I know you paid a heavy price to regain your freedom - if you love somebody....set them free 🎤🎶as they say, well, Watchtower certainly doesn't love anybody in that case. I really hope you are in a better place now, friend.😀
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  2 witness rule

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm gobsmacked.. the 7 rock star popes in warwick know darned well that the 2 witness rule allows child rapists to get away with their crime.. geoff (whacko jacko) jackson was at the australian royal commission and should have seen first hand what a vile man made law the 2 witness rule is.. my question is, why do they still insist on this pervert protecting rule?.

  i know it's a highly controlling cult but still...........................stuff my old boots, mate!.

  the above is more a rhetorical question.

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  Diogenesister

  Banana Normal considerate caring organisations would know that to try and help those who have suffered means extensive professional psychological help even if it cost millions.

  Of course they know that professional counsellors would strongly discourage anyone having anything to do with mind-bending cults like JWs—and quite rightly so.

  The two witness rule and mandatory reporting ( because of the issues around victims coming forward) are both red herrings in a way. The real problems lay in the whole culture of Watchtower that NO individual's welfare - no matter how harrowing an experience they have been through - is ever put before the reputation of the org. Additionally untrained elders, who prioritise serving the org not caring for flock, have no business involving themselves in dealing with CSA. They are also fundamentally incapable of doing what's right because the org instills paranoia in handing over care because, as half banana says, they fear the real experts involvement for the reasons he lays out above.

  A fundamentally flawed organization that cripples it's shephards by incapacitating their own conscience is worse than useless in dealing with something like CSA.
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  In what decade was it clearly apparent that Watchtower was a high control religion?

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm just curious to get people's views on this.. the bible students seem to start of as quite a liberal group under charles taze russell, albeit he had some whacky teachings going on.

  obviously things began to change under rutherford.

  but what decade did it become abundantly clear that the society was indeed high control religion or even labeled a cult?.

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  Diogenesister

  I always ask this question.It's a good one😀

  Whilst I think manditory family shunning is the big issue, being unable to leave on reasons of conscience, and still keep your relationships in tact, is at the root of the issue. This happened after they brought in shunning DA'd ones in 1981, following their unprincipled attack on Ray Franz.

  Some people would say, and I think they're probably right, that it started when Rutherford brought in all those intrusive rules on what should be personal matters like health care ( blood, vaccinations etc) and grooming.

  Not sure when all the silly chaperone rules started...or did they just carry over from the 1800's?? Its also very upper class - the poor didn't have time for such niceties.
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  My ex-bethelite buddy found TTATT through his prostitute friend.

  by silentbuddha in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so yesterday evening i get an invite through facebook fro a name that was familiar, but i couldn’t place the face.

  after clicking on the page i saw a close-up pic to realize it was a friend of mine from 15 years ago at bethel.. when this guy arrived at bethel he was big time.

  he was in early 20’s and had given up a job as an engineer at what was one of the largest electronics companies in the world.

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  Diogenesister

  Your buddy is a bit of a Jesus.

  Funny him getting kicked out of Bethel for being honourable....more so than 99.9% of people ever would be, non judgemental, decent....talk about judged by the pharasies!

  I had a pal who had a good friendship with a courtesan...lasted years, very intelligent woman.

  Glad it all worked out well for him, and that you've 're connected.😀
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  Can all 7 members of the Governing Body ride in this elevator at the same time?

  by Alfred in

  1. social
  2. physical

  in case the picture didn't load.... i'm referring to an elevator with a (quite common) weight capacity of 1,500 lbs.. would the 7 members of the governing body exceed this weight limit??

  david splane: 195 pounds.

  stephen lett: 205 pounds.

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  Diogenesister

  Surely they would consider themselves like the Royal Family who never travel together in case of such a tragedy!

  George

  That's what I thought was the idea behind OP's question !!

  Mind you, you'd think they would be quite keen to precipitate their next incarnation....perhaps we should write to someone in Bethel and suggest giving Destiny a little push, If they want to get a wiggle on with Armaggeddon that is!
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  Faithleaks-Did you guys see this?

  by carla in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the story mentions they may come after jw's-.

  http://www.sltrib.com/religion/local/2017/11/07/memo-to-all-religions-mormonleaks-may-be-coming-after-you-with-new-faithleaks-site/?hl=1&noredirect=1.

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  Diogenesister

  Just sounds fantastic. I know there has been a lot of co-operation lately between exmo's, as ex Mormons are known, and exjw's. They have something called "Tapir signal" which is a kind of exjw/exmo support group ( kind of like the bat signal as an S.O.S.) and the two ex reddit groups are very close.

  So as well as pooling our resources, there is definitely a lot we can learn from one another.
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  "Armageddon is already here"; "the preaching work is done" -- rogue teachings in your congregation?

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one of my jw sons seems to be putting pressure on his non-jw brother apparently to scare him into accepting the troof and start coming to meetings.

  wild statements like our topic title, which i know are not supported at jw dot org, have been made to my non-jw son several times over the past year or so.

  while i haven't been privy to the actual phone conversations i tend to believe that the jw son is being pressured by the local elders to cut ties with the non-jw since their conversations seem to degrade into arguments -- therefore tending to weaken the jws faith in wt teachings.. either my jw son is lying about what i would call rogue teachings (and this would disappoint me greatly) or he is in some close knit clique in his congregation which has secretly chosen to go rogue on certain wt issues.. based on many of the recent posts here about drastic money and wt organization problems this could be a sign of pending splits of certain congregation members.. what do you think?

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  Diogenesister

  00 ?? I've heard it 3 times now after 1:04:40 until the end, he doesn't say that. Where is exactly does he say that preaching is done?

  Try listening from 60.00 mins.
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  "Armageddon is already here"; "the preaching work is done" -- rogue teachings in your congregation?

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one of my jw sons seems to be putting pressure on his non-jw brother apparently to scare him into accepting the troof and start coming to meetings.

  wild statements like our topic title, which i know are not supported at jw dot org, have been made to my non-jw son several times over the past year or so.

  while i haven't been privy to the actual phone conversations i tend to believe that the jw son is being pressured by the local elders to cut ties with the non-jw since their conversations seem to degrade into arguments -- therefore tending to weaken the jws faith in wt teachings.. either my jw son is lying about what i would call rogue teachings (and this would disappoint me greatly) or he is in some close knit clique in his congregation which has secretly chosen to go rogue on certain wt issues.. based on many of the recent posts here about drastic money and wt organization problems this could be a sign of pending splits of certain congregation members.. what do you think?

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  Diogenesister

  Here's the Bethel speaker I meant to post......

  https://youtu.be/1ukhlCdtvJA
  
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  "Armageddon is already here"; "the preaching work is done" -- rogue teachings in your congregation?

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one of my jw sons seems to be putting pressure on his non-jw brother apparently to scare him into accepting the troof and start coming to meetings.

  wild statements like our topic title, which i know are not supported at jw dot org, have been made to my non-jw son several times over the past year or so.

  while i haven't been privy to the actual phone conversations i tend to believe that the jw son is being pressured by the local elders to cut ties with the non-jw since their conversations seem to degrade into arguments -- therefore tending to weaken the jws faith in wt teachings.. either my jw son is lying about what i would call rogue teachings (and this would disappoint me greatly) or he is in some close knit clique in his congregation which has secretly chosen to go rogue on certain wt issues.. based on many of the recent posts here about drastic money and wt organization problems this could be a sign of pending splits of certain congregation members.. what do you think?

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  Diogenesister

  Personally I think it's Vincent Price....but it's at 1:05:00 right at the end, the quote about the preaching being done!
  

  https://youtu.be/TT1_VhdfEEk