Posts by Diogenesister

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Did Being a JW Make You a Better Person?

by Boredposter in

i heard many times when i was a witness how much "learning the truth" helped people.

many have been said to have become much better people.

addictions were given up.

Diogenesister

Good OP!

It made good people I knew before they joined judgemental - or rarther their children judgemental and bigoted - they were raised that way, couldn't help it. But I knew that wasn't them deep down.

Some undoubtedly may have been slower to anger etc. But I think a lot of people hid their issues, instead of talking about It and getting help, addictions, porn, online gambling etc

As for me there is only *one thing* that has changed. I used to believe I would never kill under *any* circumstance, no matter who, mass murderer etc. Now I would. In order to protect my family, the innocent etc from someone attempting to take their life I would be prepared to take theirs.

Because I now know we get one chance, I view murder far more seriously...it's the ONLY thing you cannot make amends for or give back. So now, I believe in the severest penalties for murderer's and I would not hesitate to protect the innocent even if it means killing the criminal/terrorist/killer etc

I leave it to you whether you think me a better or worse person for it.

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Jwsurvey and Trey Bundy

by DATA-DOG in

good evening, or morning, whatever the case may be.. just a couple of points about the jw monthly broadcast, and the "two witness" rule.

i'm tired, so i'm going to be brief.. 1) i had a nice conversation with trey bundy about the flaws in the wt's "logic" concerning their pet scripture in deuteronomy.

in short, their rnwt ( the most accurate translation of all time, because the fds were involved...) says that no one person can be convicted on the testimony of one witness.

Diogenesister

Bloody well spotted D.D.👍👍👍

I think Lloyd has already posted a rebuttal to Gary NOT-a-Bro on the two witness rule segment of the broadcast; as he got so annoyed about their bol - oney.

I think he plans to do a fuller rebuttal for that particular jwBroadcast soon. Hopefully you can get a message to him before then. You could message him directly at exjwreddit - his username is u/cedars1929.

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Another sex abuser

by Honeybucket in

i'm tyoing this up on my phone, so forgive me if i don't give all i do or spell anything correctly.

today i saw in the local newspaper in skagit valley washington a local man was sentenced to prison for child pornography.

at firat i wasn't i terested in the article until i saw the defendants name.

Diogenesister

Xanthippe the psychologist my husband and I went to see after we left the JWs listened to our description of the rules of this religion and said that kind of sexual repression often breeds child sexual abuse

Wow, that's very interesting, Xanthippe.

Anders Right now your perception is likely skewed because you notice and remember all the JW cases but not the others...

This is very true.

Also what you say about high numbers in society in general, a relative who works in the probation service says the same thing, that it's endemic.

Watchtower just makes it worse by refusing to prosecute once it comes to light, enabling them to abuse more victims.

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Another reason Watchtower may be hurting financially

by shepherdless in

i don't think anyone else has raised this point.

below i set out the case that the jw demographic in usa has a steadily decreasing combined income, and as a consequence, has less money to donate.

not only is the flock not growing, the flock is producing less wool for the borg to fleece.

Diogenesister

Interesting post Shepardless, thank you for putting that work in for us.

won't go into detail, but the gender gap is similar as well.

I'm guessing this means since women are increasing as a percentage of jws over men, and women generally earning so much less than men, this too will impact donations.

I love your analogy of their being "less wool to FLEECE" LoL!

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ExJW responsible for calling the police at the Warwick protest, NOT Watchtower

by Diogenesister in

according to the great apostate, who spent time with police officers at the protest, they informed him that it was not watchtower who called the police in but another exjw who briefly attended the protest and subsequently disapproved of the protesters methods...claiming they were being "violent".. i find this very difficult to understand.

anyone who saw the bravery of the women who stood up in the kingdom hall and told the story of their abuse and rape could not fail to feel compassion and offer their support.. i know there are posters on this forum who disagree with me.they worry that such protests play into watchtowers "persecution" complex, and naturally i understand their position.. but really, how long do we have to fear their power over their members, and through their members, us.. many jw's simply do not know the extent of the paedophile problem,.they do not know about malawi, the un, the bloodless surgery guinea pig deaths ( thank you orphan crow), the suicides....i simply don't believe that protests don't work....if there are enough of them, and they are organized, and most of all if we are united...we shall make a difference, and that difference may be your loved one.. https://youtu.be/ffhr9onbdrk.

Diogenesister

Konceptual99 Clearly it's impossible to know for sure however I've never seen a reaction like that before and that is something that suggests that perhaps when Witnesses are almost forced to hear what some have been through from their own minds then they can be moved.

Many people say that what eventually got them thinking was not facts, but something personal that brought about an emotional response for them, it's true.

I know the ladies you are referring to, it's very difficult to watch their reaction as they are very clearly upset.

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ExJW responsible for calling the police at the Warwick protest, NOT Watchtower

by Diogenesister in

according to the great apostate, who spent time with police officers at the protest, they informed him that it was not watchtower who called the police in but another exjw who briefly attended the protest and subsequently disapproved of the protesters methods...claiming they were being "violent".. i find this very difficult to understand.

anyone who saw the bravery of the women who stood up in the kingdom hall and told the story of their abuse and rape could not fail to feel compassion and offer their support.. i know there are posters on this forum who disagree with me.they worry that such protests play into watchtowers "persecution" complex, and naturally i understand their position.. but really, how long do we have to fear their power over their members, and through their members, us.. many jw's simply do not know the extent of the paedophile problem,.they do not know about malawi, the un, the bloodless surgery guinea pig deaths ( thank you orphan crow), the suicides....i simply don't believe that protests don't work....if there are enough of them, and they are organized, and most of all if we are united...we shall make a difference, and that difference may be your loved one.. https://youtu.be/ffhr9onbdrk.

Diogenesister

Thanks everyone for your posts. I wasn't aware the man was never a baptised JW. He sounds like he was one of these slightly dotty people who are forever on the periphery of jws, but never quite able to commit.

He also may have done this out of a mistaken loyalty to Lloyd Evans ( Cedars) , following the latters very public conflict with various members within VAA.

Whatever his motive, it's petty beyond belief and I have zero respect for this moron.

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ExJW responsible for calling the police at the Warwick protest, NOT Watchtower

by Diogenesister in

according to the great apostate, who spent time with police officers at the protest, they informed him that it was not watchtower who called the police in but another exjw who briefly attended the protest and subsequently disapproved of the protesters methods...claiming they were being "violent".. i find this very difficult to understand.

anyone who saw the bravery of the women who stood up in the kingdom hall and told the story of their abuse and rape could not fail to feel compassion and offer their support.. i know there are posters on this forum who disagree with me.they worry that such protests play into watchtowers "persecution" complex, and naturally i understand their position.. but really, how long do we have to fear their power over their members, and through their members, us.. many jw's simply do not know the extent of the paedophile problem,.they do not know about malawi, the un, the bloodless surgery guinea pig deaths ( thank you orphan crow), the suicides....i simply don't believe that protests don't work....if there are enough of them, and they are organized, and most of all if we are united...we shall make a difference, and that difference may be your loved one.. https://youtu.be/ffhr9onbdrk.

Diogenesister

According to The Great Apostate, who spent time with police officers at the protest, they informed him that it was not Watchtower who called the police in but another exJW who briefly attended the protest and subsequently disapproved of the protesters methods...CLAIMING they were being "violent".

I find this very difficult to understand. Anyone who saw the bravery of the women who stood up in the Kingdom hall and told the story of their abuse and rape could not fail to feel compassion and offer their support.

I know there are posters on this forum who disagree with me.They worry that such protests play into Watchtowers "persecution" complex, and naturally I understand their position.

But really, how long do we have to fear their power over their members, and through their members, us.. Many jw's simply do not know the extent of the paedophile problem,.They do not know about Malawi, the UN, the bloodless surgery guinea pig deaths ( thank you ORPHAN CROW), the suicides....I simply don't believe that protests don't work....if there are enough of them, and they are organized, and most of all if we are United...we shall make a difference, and that difference may be your loved one.

https://youtu.be/FFhr9onBDRk

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2 witness rule

by punkofnice in

i'm gobsmacked.. the 7 rock star popes in warwick know darned well that the 2 witness rule allows child rapists to get away with their crime.. geoff (whacko jacko) jackson was at the australian royal commission and should have seen first hand what a vile man made law the 2 witness rule is.. my question is, why do they still insist on this pervert protecting rule?.

i know it's a highly controlling cult but still...........................stuff my old boots, mate!.

the above is more a rhetorical question.

Diogenesister

Fishy Disclaimer: Kendricks was never criminally convicted beyond reasonable doubt of abusing Candace and maintains his innocence.

Now that's interesting that you mention (what amounts to)innocent before proved guilty. Yet you think authorities should legislate to ban people from churches before they commit a crime. Where else should the law ban them from? Supermarkets, colleges, pool clubs, football grounds, fitness clubs?

Strange for a Christian to want someone banned from a church before they have sinned, too.

Why all these diversions from the basic, common sense answer.

If someone commits the crime of child abuse and it is reported to an elder, the elder reports it to authorities. That simple.

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2 witness rule

by punkofnice in

i'm gobsmacked.. the 7 rock star popes in warwick know darned well that the 2 witness rule allows child rapists to get away with their crime.. geoff (whacko jacko) jackson was at the australian royal commission and should have seen first hand what a vile man made law the 2 witness rule is.. my question is, why do they still insist on this pervert protecting rule?.

i know it's a highly controlling cult but still...........................stuff my old boots, mate!.

the above is more a rhetorical question.

Diogenesister

LoveUniHateExamsThat is exactly what I mean when I say it is the culture of the Watchtower that needs to change.

Ok, I'll be blunt: part of the reason the WT has the 2 witness rule is because a baptised adult male with questionable sexual preferences is much more useful to them - and therefore much more worthy - than an innocent child.

Heartbreaking but true.

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JWs drank suspicious tea and got naked and kidnapped people

by yalbmert99 in

well, this is awkward !

these are jehovah's witnesses...lol.

http://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/naked-suspects-in-nisku-kidnapping-may-have-consumed-hallucinogenic-tea-1.3671452.

Diogenesister

The elders won't be concerned about the violence. They won't be concerned that they stole a car, or that they drove under the influence. They won't be worried that they locked a terrified victim in the trunk of a car.

No, they will be concerned that they were all BUTT NAKED.