Quaking mass....any connection to Quaker mass??
Diogenesister
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I Remember........
by pontoon inwhen my mom first started to study in the 1960's the first kh and congregation we went to was a big open room over a grocery store.
i remember in the 1970's having circuit assemblies in rented facilities the local brothers would arrange for.
i remember three regular accounts, donations for the society, donations for the local congregation/kh, and the literature account.
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Diogenesister
Good point. Your not rambling at all. I think it's the central question we all want to know.
That it has become a corporation the main purpose of which is to make money seems obvious on the outside looking in. As a believer that would seem shocking, indeed absurd.
Once you become fully awake you wonder Is, or was, there humans controlling the Org for nefarious purpose, and if so at what point did they gain control? Or has it always been thus?
Or, and this I'm more inclined to believe, has the body corporate taken on a life of its own, the workers all being the famously put " captives of a concept"?
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Which Things Did Your Overzealous Parents Ban?
by pale.emperor inwe all know the gb like to impose rules upon the rules... but did anyone else out there have parents that implemented rules upon those rules?
mine did.
my mum tended to copy whatever the elders wives were doing and took it to the extreme.
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Average Joe Take the High Road
😂😂😂😂Of all the bizarro things to ban - the most sedate old lady soap operah out there!!!
Rent a Ghost
I remember that - pretty much all TV was no go except for 'Vision-On" and 'Rhubarb and Custard'
Any type of dancing was disapproved. Ballet lessons stopped. Except our ballet teacher was über strict and hit us with a stick so they liked that.
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Which Things Did Your Overzealous Parents Ban?
by pale.emperor inwe all know the gb like to impose rules upon the rules... but did anyone else out there have parents that implemented rules upon those rules?
mine did.
my mum tended to copy whatever the elders wives were doing and took it to the extreme.
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Diogenesister
Anders (Music from)Terence Trent D'arby
How random!!
Punk Alice Cooper was alright
How randomly enlightened!
Me: Dr. Who
Massive fights over that one
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Why the move to Warwick?
by optimisticskeptic ini've seen a lot of posts around and about warwick and the goings on there but was curious as to people's theories on why the move to warwick?
granted there's the obvious point about all of the money from the sale of properties in brooklyn but for as massive as warwick is, the purchase of an apartment complex there, multiple sites and buildings i would be surprised if they had much left from all of the profits.
so beyond a financial incentive why move?
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Diogenesister
I do think 9/11 would have affected them. I understood some of the old guard didnt want or were not sure it was the right thing to do, isolate themselves and move from the place they had been very successful. I got the impression, and I may be wrong here, that 9/11 pushed them into seeing a move as an option. Let's face it they experienced the whole thing and it must have frightened them.
As far As I know when they started to plan the move money wasn't an issue...or was it? Does anyone know if they started planning before the slump???
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Higher Education
by Brian J injust spent 8 hours in a 1 day elders school last weekend.
clarification given: "moving forward any elder, ms, or pioneer who themselves or someone under their roof enrolls in higher education, may no longer qualify for privileges in the congregation.
their qualifications will have to be reviewed by their boe.".
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Diogenesister
The escape route is drawn, family station wagon loaded, but car is only going 5 mph right now so as not to loose my family. Snails pace i know but they are worth it.
Now thats unconditional love, Brian. Top Dad👍
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Are Beards becoming more acceptable due to decline in membership?
by UnshackleTheChains ini noticed a young brother with a beard being given more privelages within our hall.
when he first grew his beard, he lost his privelages.
but more and more recently he has been helping out a lot more.. the cobe is old school and a stickler for rules, but with the hall becoming more empty these days, and the need for young brothers, he seems to have relaxed on this particular watchtower/man made rule.
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Diogenesister
I knew a brother who got hell for a very messy beard - but since he was baptised with it ( 70s)he said he was going to ruddy well keep it!
Its funny because his wife full time pioneered, he had an angelic family and he himself was an aeronautic engineer and pilot who could turn his hand to anything so he was always in demand. A modest man he point blank refused to take on any" absurd title". The ones that *should* be elders are the ones who don't want to be.
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Can JW's celebrate Hannukah?
by Splash inwhat's the official teaching on celebrating this jewish festival?.
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Diogenesister
If I were a jw I'd start celebrating the new moon, since Paul gave it the OK
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Work Christmas functions: Being a Bible Student (unbaptized)
by rulehayl inhi all,i have been studying with the witnesses for more than 6 months and regularly attend both midweek & weekend meetings, and i am nearly at the end of the "bible teach" book.
my boss is adamant i attend team christmas functions.
she knows about my studying and potential baptism next year, and has suggested that i attend and just not participate in activities like kris kringle.
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Diogenesister
There are 364 other days in the year to celebrate & socialize.
Not with " worldly" people you won't. That is most definitely not ok. You are expected to keep association with non-Jws to the minimum. Essentially work and school. The 2016 " wife of lot" convention videos even condemned associating with non-jw FAMILY. Visiting a brother, even AFTER celebrations are done, on his birthday would be a huge no-no.
Also your school analogy, comparing the need for rules with that of rules within cults, was way off the Mark. Basically a cult is an abuser and CAN be best compared with an abusive partner. A school is a place which benefits you in the end, the rules there to help you achieve your positive outcome can be compared to the' rules' within a healthy relationship - honesty equality, fairness including sharing financial burdens, commitment, respect, unconditional love.
The rules within a cult, an unhealthy place that does not benefit you, and their rules can best be compared to the 'rules' within an abusive relationship - lies, deception, extreme hierarchy and inequality, unfair burdens, financial dishonesty, one sided commitment, violence towards spouse & kids acceptable, love conditional on your obedience.
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Work Christmas functions: Being a Bible Student (unbaptized)
by rulehayl inhi all,i have been studying with the witnesses for more than 6 months and regularly attend both midweek & weekend meetings, and i am nearly at the end of the "bible teach" book.
my boss is adamant i attend team christmas functions.
she knows about my studying and potential baptism next year, and has suggested that i attend and just not participate in activities like kris kringle.
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Diogenesister
Rulehayl I have actually religion-shopped through other forms of Christianity, but they don't do it for me. The only other people to come close are the Mormons.
I do worry about someone who finds the two most appealing religions the two largest cults.
I don't think this lady will come back as I believe she thought we were active dubs.
I can understand someone being defensive if she is a loyal type but it doesn't mean some of the things she learnt here didn't sink in. Some people just take longer to process stuff.
Doesn't her name make you think of Rue-Paul??!!!