Posts by Diogenesister

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Cong accounts analysis?

by Farmer Jim1 in

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anyone on here an ex accounts servant?

i’d be interested in a projection of what percentage of contributions come from elderly jw’s.

i.e, money that will be diminishing over next 5 or 10 years as these ones pass on.. i estimate that in one of my previous congs 50% of the contribution totals of approximately £400 each month were being made by the over 70’s demographic.. within the other 50% were pioneers and low paid workers who put in regular but small amounts.. i guess when the accountants ring the alarm bells you start cutting the biggest costs; full time servants, buildings, printed literature.

Diogenesister

Stucky Then the money grab thing from Bethel happened, where the Society "requested" all the funds in each cong bank account be sent to them, and we could keep just $5000 (how NICE of them!) Our elders told me to IGNORE that request, and they kept over $15000! I raised it and said that they were going against "theocratic direction", and they came up with excuse after excuse to keep the funds! Contrary to what Bethel told each cong!

Wealthy people, all tight fisted as hell with money, I guess Thsts why they're wealthybin the first place. In this instance, for once, I'm glad they are.

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Curiosity

by Jrjw in

i was just sitting daydreaming about answering up during a watchtower and exposing one of the lies the wts has stated in the study material and wondering what the reaction would be 😊 has anyone ever done this on their way out?

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Diogenesister

This is the classic talk where a fading elder was accidently called to give a talk as he had somehow been left on their rota, so he gave an apostate talk

WoW! Apostate Brother gives Accurate Biblical Tal…: http://youtu.be/hLgwyfhtIHM

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New video on youtube

by blownaway in

i saw a new video on youtube the jws put out.

it was an elder in his basement and other jws were showing up knocking with a special knock to get in.

outside you could hear people yelling where are the witnesses.

Diogenesister

It reminded me of the Japanese telling their people to kill them self because the Americans would rape and kill them.

Absolutely, swallow the cool-aid Jim Jones style. Its frightening that they tell the jw's to obey them "even if it seems unusual from a human standpoint". The main reason to churn out these type of videos is to elicit emotion in the jw's. While the emotional part of your brain is working it's very difficult to get the logical part in gear.

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Flat earth vs round earth

by Jrjw in

my brother has been talking about the earth being flat and some big conspiracy going on to make people beieve otherwise.

what are people's thoughts on this?.

Diogenesister

If this subject is of interest, you might enjoy the book, Longitude - TD

Me too. Great book.

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Resurrection to Heaven

by Lost in the fog in

ct russell said the dead would be resurrected to heaven from 1874-1881.. then the judge decided that it was not 1874/5 for the return of christ but 1914, so moving the heavenly resurrection forward to be from 1914-1918.. in truth nobody knows when it happens or happened.

just because the watchtower leadership says something in the printed word doesn't mean that it is true.

zion's watchtower 1881, january.

Diogenesister

Fred franztone
58 years from now? What's this about?
According to David (Ex)Splanes overlapping generation chart, "this generation" can only include anointed ones who overlapp with, for instance, F.W. Franz who died in 1992 ( as one of the longest-lived known anointed ones, he is used as an example).
So to be included in the "generation" they would have to be baptised and anointed *before* Fred Franz's death in 92, making them at that time at least around 15 -20 years old.
Therefore, if we suppose they will live at most 80 -90 years, Waton is estimating the great tribulation cannot occur any later than 2058, give or take 5 years or so.
Edit: so this lot of GB have given themselves some breathing room, and when the max date is reached they will all be dead, so some other poor bastard can deal with the fallout of the failure of the "overlapping generation" teaching.

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Charging $150 To Tell Your Stories

by Bangalore in

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https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/how-to-escape-from-jehovah-s-witnesses-religion#/.

for $150: collaboration with the backer so that their story of successfully escaping an abusive belief system (300 words max) features along with others in the final pages of how to escape from jehovah's witnesses.

the text will be written by the author but will include a minimum of one quote worded by the backer.

Diogenesister

Dubby nor of the fact that he didn't even reply to my query regarding helping to get the word out about my podcast activism,

You are of no use to him, worse, you are the competition. If word got out that you were loaded he would suddenly want you on board to collaborate in some way.

In his defense it's not easy making a living as a writer.

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Kleenex Head Covering

by jwundubbed in

growing up a woman in the cult was pretty bleak.

most of the adult women i knew were either depressed sad women or an embarrassment to me.

i was typical kid in that regard.

Diogenesister

m PIMO and do next to nothing in the bORG but this literally makes me want to start a bible study so I can take a sister with and have her conduct it with some kind of covering - Just to show outsiders how ridiculous things can be - I wonder if they will want to have another study session after that

Interestingly I've seen plenty of sisters take bible studies in their own home, with husband floating about, and they most definitely do not put on a head covering.

Probably for this reason, as you say it's so ridiculous.

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Kleenex Head Covering

by jwundubbed in

growing up a woman in the cult was pretty bleak.

most of the adult women i knew were either depressed sad women or an embarrassment to me.

i was typical kid in that regard.

Diogenesister

On one of SBF threads about his experiences at other churches, we were talking about the Catholic church, a patriarchy if ever there was one. Yet alter girls out numbered the boys, women did the bible readings and there was even a women " master of ceremonies" of sorts, unsure of the official term.

I mean it is traditional *within the physical church* for women to wear hats and men to take theirs off, but women don't don head coverings when doing religious things per sa ( taking a meeting or bible reading).

So anyway the point I'm coming to is I came to the conclusion that Watchtower is the most sexiest Christian denomination - what does anyone think?

Jwundubbed But I can't seem to get a job above a certain level even though I have the training for it. And when I really think about it a lot of ways in which we were treated as girls and women in the cult start to come up. I don't think I realized how much it all effected me.

,Hear, hear. Without a doubt it's your upbringing and the lack of self belief and confidence it engendered in you.

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2017 Service Year Report Worldwide - INDIVIDUALLY LISTED LANDS and COUNTRIES

by darkspilver in

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now available:.

2017 service year report worldwide: table with individually listed lands and countries.

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Diogenesister

SBF South Africa lost 58 congregations. That's pretty huge.

Didn't they either loose their branch office or at the very least have hundreds of Bethelites sacked - many lifelong. That's gotta effect morale.

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Flat earth vs round earth

by Jrjw in

my brother has been talking about the earth being flat and some big conspiracy going on to make people beieve otherwise.

what are people's thoughts on this?.

Diogenesister

Dropoffyourkey...Lee y The flat earthers even have a website. I simply can't tell if it is one big tongue-in-cheek joke or if anyone actually believes it. In either case it is curious that it gets so much attention.

I was shocked ( or maybe not) to see some people posting they believe in a flat earth on a Mike and Kim thread!

The General essence of the you tube post was about not feeling the need to censure other people's beliefs, which I heartily agree with, but then someone posted about the problems they get having flat Earth beliefs ....and a load of others chimed in that too believe this! They gave a scripture as proof ( can't remember off-hand which) and mentioned they have enormous trouble if they express their view on this.

I'm, like, whaaaaaaa?