Posts by Diogenesister

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Introduce myself

by dantoole87 in

i'd like share why i went from being a teenager determined to work in full time service for jehovah my entire life, to now being on here commiserating with you all.

i use to be an atheist but i now believe in god.

but i'm not preachy about god.

Diogenesister

Mother in law doesn't respect her husband because like many jw men, he's a scrounger.

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"This Assembly Hall in Denmark was designed and built by the Watchtower Bible and Track Society" by NoOneSpecial JW Published on 30 Sep 2017

by oppostate in

this assembly hall in denmark was designed and built by the watchtower bible and track society before drones and google earth were around.

the governing body did not count on this being exposed from the arial view.

according to the 1993 year book on denmark assembly hall.

This is incredibly embarrassing, if indeed it was an architect who had done his homework into the history of the jws, realised it was a cult, and thought it was either historically amusing or deserving of parody.

The other more sinister answer is that the real controlling powers behind the religion are not as naive and deluded as many think. It's certainly incredible.

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Birthdays are Evil - so they said

by EverApostate in

last week i celebrated my birthday.

accepted well wishes from people near and far.

had been happily accepting wishes from people since i quit the cult.. as a jw, (brainwashed ) belief that birthdays are evil was the stupidest belief i had in all my life.. when in, i had a hard time to explain to people that i don’t celebrate birthdays.

Diogenesister

I always think Stevie Wonder said it best:

HAPPY BIRTHDAYI

You know it doesn't make much sense
There ought to be a law against

Anyone who takes offense

At a day in your celebration

'Cause we all know in our minds
That there ought to be a time
That we can set aside
To show just how much we love you
And I'm sure you would agree
It couldn't fit more perfectly
Than to have a world party on the day you came to be
Happy birthday to you
Happy birthday to you
Happy birthday
Happy birthday to you
Happy birthday to you
Happy birthday
I just never understood
How a man who died for good
Could not have a day that would
Be set aside for his recognition
Because it should never be
Just because some cannot see
The dream as clear as he
That they should make it become an illusion
And we all know everything
That he stood for time will bring
For in peace our hearts will sing
Thanks to Martin Luther King
Happy birthday to you
Happy birthday to you
Happy birthday
Happy birthday to you
Happy birthday to you
Happy birthday
Why has there never been a holiday
Where peace is celebrated
All throughout the world
The time is overdue
For people like me and you
Who know the way to truth
Is love and unity to all God's children
It should never be a great event
And the whole day should be spent
In full remembrance
Of those who lived and died for the oneness of all people
So let us all begin
We know that love can win
Let it out don't hold it in
Sing it loud as you can
Happy birthday to you
Happy birthday

REPEAT
We know the key to unity all people
Is in the dream that you had so long ago (happy birthday)
That lives in all of the hearts of people (happy birthday)
That believe in unity (happy birthday)
We'll make the dream become a reality (happy birthday)
I know we will (happy birthday)
Because our hearts tell us so (happy birthday)
Happy birthday
Etc repeat

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QFR - Posting JW publications on a personal website/social media

by Listener in

the following is a qfr from the april, 2018 watchtower.

just a couple of articles back the organization was explaining how jws need to be encouraging and even when admonishing congregations jesus would start out with encouraging words.

we see none of this in the qfr, rather, it is heavy handed and legally incorrect.. why is it not permissible to post publications of jehovah’s witnesses on a personal website or on social media?.

Diogenesister

Some brothers have been drawn into online debates and thus have brought added reproach on Jehovah’s name.

Notice it says "have brought ADDED REPROACH on jehovahs name"

I.e. even more reproach than has already been heaped by CSA cases.

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Cong accounts analysis?

by Farmer Jim1 in

jw
friends

anyone on here an ex accounts servant?

i’d be interested in a projection of what percentage of contributions come from elderly jw’s.

i.e, money that will be diminishing over next 5 or 10 years as these ones pass on.. i estimate that in one of my previous congs 50% of the contribution totals of approximately £400 each month were being made by the over 70’s demographic.. within the other 50% were pioneers and low paid workers who put in regular but small amounts.. i guess when the accountants ring the alarm bells you start cutting the biggest costs; full time servants, buildings, printed literature.

Diogenesister

Stucky Then the money grab thing from Bethel happened, where the Society "requested" all the funds in each cong bank account be sent to them, and we could keep just $5000 (how NICE of them!) Our elders told me to IGNORE that request, and they kept over $15000! I raised it and said that they were going against "theocratic direction", and they came up with excuse after excuse to keep the funds! Contrary to what Bethel told each cong!

Wealthy people, all tight fisted as hell with money, I guess Thsts why they're wealthybin the first place. In this instance, for once, I'm glad they are.

12

Curiosity

by Jrjw in

i was just sitting daydreaming about answering up during a watchtower and exposing one of the lies the wts has stated in the study material and wondering what the reaction would be 😊 has anyone ever done this on their way out?

?

Diogenesister

This is the classic talk where a fading elder was accidently called to give a talk as he had somehow been left on their rota, so he gave an apostate talk

WoW! Apostate Brother gives Accurate Biblical Tal…: http://youtu.be/hLgwyfhtIHM

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New video on youtube

by blownaway in

i saw a new video on youtube the jws put out.

it was an elder in his basement and other jws were showing up knocking with a special knock to get in.

outside you could hear people yelling where are the witnesses.

Diogenesister

It reminded me of the Japanese telling their people to kill them self because the Americans would rape and kill them.

Absolutely, swallow the cool-aid Jim Jones style. Its frightening that they tell the jw's to obey them "even if it seems unusual from a human standpoint". The main reason to churn out these type of videos is to elicit emotion in the jw's. While the emotional part of your brain is working it's very difficult to get the logical part in gear.

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Flat earth vs round earth

by Jrjw in

my brother has been talking about the earth being flat and some big conspiracy going on to make people beieve otherwise.

what are people's thoughts on this?.

Diogenesister

If this subject is of interest, you might enjoy the book, Longitude - TD

Me too. Great book.

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Resurrection to Heaven

by Lost in the fog in

ct russell said the dead would be resurrected to heaven from 1874-1881.. then the judge decided that it was not 1874/5 for the return of christ but 1914, so moving the heavenly resurrection forward to be from 1914-1918.. in truth nobody knows when it happens or happened.

just because the watchtower leadership says something in the printed word doesn't mean that it is true.

zion's watchtower 1881, january.

Diogenesister

Fred franztone
58 years from now? What's this about?
According to David (Ex)Splanes overlapping generation chart, "this generation" can only include anointed ones who overlapp with, for instance, F.W. Franz who died in 1992 ( as one of the longest-lived known anointed ones, he is used as an example).
So to be included in the "generation" they would have to be baptised and anointed *before* Fred Franz's death in 92, making them at that time at least around 15 -20 years old.
Therefore, if we suppose they will live at most 80 -90 years, Waton is estimating the great tribulation cannot occur any later than 2058, give or take 5 years or so.
Edit: so this lot of GB have given themselves some breathing room, and when the max date is reached they will all be dead, so some other poor bastard can deal with the fallout of the failure of the "overlapping generation" teaching.

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Charging $150 To Tell Your Stories

by Bangalore in

jw
friends

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/how-to-escape-from-jehovah-s-witnesses-religion#/.

for $150: collaboration with the backer so that their story of successfully escaping an abusive belief system (300 words max) features along with others in the final pages of how to escape from jehovah's witnesses.

the text will be written by the author but will include a minimum of one quote worded by the backer.

Diogenesister

Dubby nor of the fact that he didn't even reply to my query regarding helping to get the word out about my podcast activism,

You are of no use to him, worse, you are the competition. If word got out that you were loaded he would suddenly want you on board to collaborate in some way.

In his defense it's not easy making a living as a writer.