Posts by Diogenesister

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Last Thursday's Meeting in Elmira, On

by newsheep in

i had gotten a phone call from a brother who was really upset.

he said there was a resolution passed that everyone is in agreement to the selling of the elmira hall.

the strange thing is at the congregation picnic an elder told him that a few years ago the deed to the hall was signed over to the org.

Diogenesister

Don't they notice that the day something bad happens they get a talk telling them to grass on each other if anyone says anything negative and not to read anything negative about the org.

They took their money for the car park filling knowing they were planning to sell the hall. That must have been planned by the branch office at least a year prior. I bet the CO knew. It's becoming a blatant con, they are confidence tricksters.

They ask for a show of hands fully knowing the motion will get passed. It's just to fool them into feeling they have a say when really they have none.

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The Utterly most appalling terrible JW music video you will ever see

by Diogenesister in

........so far to date.

you've been warned....https://youtu.be/jjjnt5l5ts0.

Diogenesister

Come on the guy with the two buckets was priceless!

😂😂😂😂He needs his own you tube channel that guy

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The Utterly most appalling terrible JW music video you will ever see

by Diogenesister in

........so far to date.

you've been warned....https://youtu.be/jjjnt5l5ts0.

Diogenesister

Jayubyadotorg good catch!!!

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Excellent piece on Watchtower's appeal to the Supreme court

by Diogenesister in

mark o'donnell ( john redwood) has outdone himself in this excellent piece on watchtower's appeal to the supreme court regarding their definition of clergy-penitent rights.. the case they are appealing revolves around gilbert simental, a known abuser who, although eventually removed as an elder, was allowed to remain in a position of respect, with the parents of his victims kept in the dark about the risk he posed to the children with whose care he was entrusted.

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anyway it's an excellent piece and well worth reading.. https://jwsurvey.org/news/jehovahs-witnesses-lose-california-child-abuse-case-appeal-to-u-s-supreme-court-part-one.

Diogenesister

Mark O'Donnell ( John Redwood) has outdone himself in this excellent piece on Watchtower's appeal to the Supreme Court regarding their definition of clergy-penitent rights.

The case they are appealing revolves around Gilbert simental, a known abuser who, although eventually removed as an elder, was allowed to remain in a position of respect, with the parents of his victims kept in the dark about the risk he posed to the children with whose care he was entrusted.

Anyway it's an excellent piece and well worth reading.

https://jwsurvey.org/news/jehovahs-witnesses-lose-california-child-abuse-case-appeal-to-u-s-supreme-court-part-one

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Ladies and Gents.... Domestic violence!

by Theonlyoneleft in

domestic violence in the “tooth”... is this a thing?!.

you are starting to know me by now as i’m always full of questions... my clogs are always in motion and never stop... so another question for you to give me some guidance if you can.

based on pasts experience or cases you might heard of or seen, what advice could you give me in helping someone that is a jehovah witness, married with another jw but lives a marriage that is plagued by emotional domestic abuse and financial control?

Diogenesister

She needs to document everything, with dates and times, but put any writings etc, in a safe place away from the husband. Write a diary of events, of stresses, of impacts, of the shoving etc. Maybe she can give the diarys to you, to keep safe from her husband. She needs to keep receipts as much as she can of his spending on himself

I agree with this but the problem is she won't do it if she thinks it's collecting data to use against him.

So...Why not ask her to write a regular diary - and pour her heart out to it, don't hold back - as a good way of dealing with stress etc and helping her to be a better Christian

BUT of course this has the real advantage of documenting his behaviour, albeit in a modified way,

1.however should she need it in the future it's there, in writing

2. It may help her to see how bad things really are ( and they are) when she reflects back on how her life is progressing via the diary.

And yes, isn't it awful how the victim gets judged???

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Did you ever thought this?

by Theonlyoneleft in

so.. you are a jw or studying, living your life and doing your bit, feverish of spreading the good news to everyone that will listen!.

you prep yourself for meetings, doing your ministry and applying all that there is into your daily life.. so....i have a question... you know... my clogs.

when you where completely in the religion, did you ever think about the impact of your way of life and religion towards others, specially those that lived around you such as good friends or family members that didn’t studied?

Diogenesister

I mean, really, isn't it ridiculous to think that either baptizing a child at birth or being the minor child of baptised jw parents should give those children protection that other children are not worthy of?

That fact alone should make you realise that all religions are guff.

As to your question, I sort of completely inwardly denied that almost *anyone* would die in Armageddon. I thought people wouldn't be punished for not "understanding" or having "time".

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Need Help: My Correspondence with the Headquarters

by Lobsto in

a month ago i sent a letter to the us branch about 607. my purpose for sending it was because i wanted to show to my parents through the letters the truth behind the date system.

two days ago, i received a response from them.

i think this is gonna be the first of many.

Diogenesister

Sir 82 Their reasoning is specious, of course, but at least they acknowledge the sources which discredit their attempts to use 607. That's more than they've ever done in print.

It might well be a form letter as Room 215 suggests. It would be interesting for someone else to submit another query and see if they get the same reply.

I'm absolutely amazed they sent you such a detailed letter. Many have submitted similar queries with zero response. I think, too they must have had so many inquiries they've decided to trott out a standard response from now on.

I say they're getting more worried about some of the big criticisms they are getting - 607, micro managing, beards the list goes on.

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The Utterly most appalling terrible JW music video you will ever see

by Diogenesister in

........so far to date.

you've been warned....https://youtu.be/jjjnt5l5ts0.

Diogenesister

Calm down children!!

The title was a joke, naturally.

Yes of course I wish dubs every little bit of happiness they can squeeze out of life.

Hell I wish everyone every bit of happiness they can squeeze out of life.

When you have someone you love close to death, as magnum and I both do ( and mine has a one year old child) you really stop focusing on the minor things. However when you can't see the person you love because of the pharasic bullying of this religions adherents well, you tend to loose your sense of humour about things pretty quick.

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The Utterly most appalling terrible JW music video you will ever see

by Diogenesister in

........so far to date.

you've been warned....https://youtu.be/jjjnt5l5ts0.

Diogenesister

........so far to date. You've been warned....https://youtu.be/JjjNt5l5tS0

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Ladies and Gents.... Domestic violence!

by Theonlyoneleft in

domestic violence in the “tooth”... is this a thing?!.

you are starting to know me by now as i’m always full of questions... my clogs are always in motion and never stop... so another question for you to give me some guidance if you can.

based on pasts experience or cases you might heard of or seen, what advice could you give me in helping someone that is a jehovah witness, married with another jw but lives a marriage that is plagued by emotional domestic abuse and financial control?

Diogenesister

I think in cases of physical abuse the advice is clear cut. No one should tolerate it and there is plenty of help available although many mothers fear loosng their children if they make the authorities aware ( I'm just being honest here). And that is in western countries. In many places homelessness rears its ugly head if a wife chooses to leave.

But in many ways the real problems arise when the abuse is more subtle, as in the case above. Financial control, psychological and emotional abuse. Shouting and name calling etc aggressive and demeaning speech.

Without therapy people rarely change and if they are young the stress of raising a family and JW demands can bring out the worst in men who cannot cope with that stress in a healthier way. Either that or it is learnt behaviour..